You didn’t look up COINTELPRO clearly lol. Merry Christmas to you as well.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
That’s the problem.
I am not and never have disputed the above. But that was many, many years ago. I am addressing the problems of today.
Unless you are claiming that black people have a right to kill Police Officers because they were harmed by laws decades ago.
No you are not saying that you are too smart for such flawed logic
I simply asked you to tell me how it worked out.
Edit: Just googled it and it reminds me of the Obama administration targeting certain groups with both the Justice Department and the IRS. Wrong back then and wrong now.
But again what does that have to do with taking personal responsibility 60 years later?
Moving the goals posts on me I see.
It died out in 1982 to be accurate. So 34 years.
If you try to establish your own community, protect your own community, feed your own community and the government infiltrates and destroys said self-deterministic community, and your people know it…how would that affect future people trying to establish their own community?
Most would say, “the government doesn’t want us to have our own community, guess we can’t, we can’t beat the government.”
I’m not sure how you miss this stuff.
Well spoken post. I don’t know that it is “White Americans not wanting to understand” his perspective. I don’t think that plays into it any more than any other political issue where sides just don’t “get along”. I do think that a large chunk can’t relate to it. And its a very small jump from the ingredients “can’t relate” + “political opponent” to the recipe “he is inflammatory” or whatever else. It’s wrong, just as it was wrong when Obama took Mike Brown’s side, but I don’t think there is any racial animus to it…
The amount of polarization in politics these past few years is almost unheard of. It makes for very difficult discussions because NEITHER side wants to be seen as “soft” on opponent and thus even though both have legitimate concerns (I despise the SJW term “grievance”) there is no real dialogue in the country at large. Which is a damn shame, because we as Americans can do just about anything we set our minds to when we talk to each other and try to understand the other side.
Now I really have not and never did like his politics, and I think there are plenty of instances where he has been adversarial, but I agree with you on this quote.
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I agree with everything you said. This quote in particular is the biggest problem. SJW’s and authority figures will stick to their guns even if they’re wrong. We can’t move forward like that.
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Not at all …never not one time.
So that gives a young black man the right to assassinate a Police Officer? Perhaps we are talking about two different things. I would offer up the very distinct possibility that the young black man in question has no idea of what happened 34 years ago. And I would even go further than that but what’s the point. There is no rationalization of murder, rioting or other criminal behavior in 2016…is there?
Where did this strawman come from?
I’m not sure how you miss the fact that the primary reason for young black men getting in trouble with the law is the fact that there is no positive male role model in their life. Then suddenly when a male authority figure pops in as a uniformed Police Officer (black or white) they don’t quite know how to handle that, feel threatened and instead of complying they rebel, fight, run and are either killed or injured.
Simple.
And this has nothing to do with Slavery, Jim Crow laws or anything else. You almost sound like a left wing Professor attempting to make excuses through the use of prior sociological circumstances.
With all due respect that stuff just doesn’t pass muster. When you are pulled over by a Police Officer and he asks you to comply with a lawful order…simply comply and that goes for all races. You seem to be pulling out text books and citing information that is absolutely invalid relative to this discussion. The issues that I am referencing here are simply not debatable.
Maybe someone like @EyeDentist can give it more intellectual flesh, but I would liken a lot of what we have seen to- for lack of a better term- Cultural PTSD.
Don’t get me wrong, not trying to soft serve or make excuses for an entire segment of a population, but I really think there is something more to this than just rabble rousing or misguided political discourse.
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I’m sure there is a bit more to it. But I think I have laid down the basics. If someone does not agree I have no problem with that. I will let the statiscs speak for themselves:
“This table can be used for a number of interesting calculations. First, we find that during the 2012/2013 period, blacks committed an average of 560,600 violent crimes against whites, whereas whites committed only 99,403 such crimes against blacks. This means blacks were the attackers in 84.9 percent of the violent crimes involving blacks and whites. This figure is consistent with reports from 2008, the last year DOJ released similar statistics. Perhaps not coincidentally, that was the year Mr. Obama was elected president.”
There’s a great book written on it by Dr. Joy Degray called Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome.
I already acknowledged this and the multitude of reasons behind such. You’re talking in circles man.
Great then we are finished.
Merry Christmas My Friend!
I already explained that most black people are afraid of police.
You almost sound like a right wing Professor attempting to look at 2016 without looking at all the years proceeding 2016.
Would Trump be president if his dad hasn’t been a millionaire? Absolutely not. You cannot acknowledge Trump as president in 2016 without the 3 million dollar loan his dad gave him to start his first business.
No-one would dispute that.
But for some reason there is a dispute about the effects of past American policy, discrimination, and stereotypes on today’s America.
That’s like saying America today would be the same America if we hadn’t brought African slaves over to build the country. Or America today would be the same America if we hadn’t switched from the gold standard and didn’t print paper money out the wazoo.
Your past has an impact on your future lol.
Do you look at WW2 without looking at Pearl Harbor? Or WW1 without looking at the assassination that preceded it? Do we look at the Korean War and Vietnam without looking at the rise of communism?
But anytime we look at Slavery, Jim Crow, Slave Patrols, The War on Drugs, Senetencing disparities, Mass Incarceration for use of labor, none of that is relevant.
If that stuff is irrelevant personal responsibility is just as irrelevant. You can’t look at one without the other.
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PS: Her name is actually Dr. Joy DeGruy and I would politely claim that she has a very, very strong left wing bias.
Yes you did and I respectfully disagree with you. As I said it has more to do with the lack of positive male role models.
We covered all of that.