This what we should really be discussing…
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Ok, if the facts lead to criminal, even treasonous, wrongdoing, tee it up. The ball is in Trump’s court to do it, so if you’re disappointed in the lack of effort to charge Hillary, you know where to look. But my point is, Hillary deserves no special accommodation.
But what Hillary did or did not do is completely irrelevant to Trump’s Russia problems. It is a subject change and a red herring - a very Trumpian thing to do, but still worthless in evaluating what Trump may have done.
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Eh it’s not surprising. So much of the Clinton foundation was tied to their public image. Hard to survive when your public image takes the most monumental of shits.
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Agreed. And Trump is showing himself to more of the same in terms of indifference to the deficit:
Think tank finds Trump’s tax plan would increase deficit by $10 trillion
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Ya, his reluctance to touch the big 3 entitlement programs is a huyge factor too.
The Clinton public image has been the same ever since Bill uttered the famous “it depends upon what your meaning of the word “is” is…”. The only difference in terms of the “donation” generating power of the Clinton name, is whether there is a Clinton in a position of political power or not.
You genuinely believe the 2016 election had zero impact on the Clinton’s reputation?
Trump’s fortune is based on real estate, with the foundation in New Yawk.
I’m surprised the “mob ties” stories haven’t surfaced. Man, those guys have sure lost a lot of prestige since Marlon Brando and Al Pacino ruled the theaters.
No. Rather, I believe the Clinton reputation had an impact on the 2016 election.
So if you could compare public perception of the Clinton’s between now and 2015, you’d find the same numbers? You’d find the same approval ratings etc?
Totally - no reform for entitlements and no real reform in the defense budget, and on the campaign trail, he mumbled some nonsense about cutting the Department of Education and the EPA and, as usual, reliance on his magic wand:
*Alright. Well, what we’re going to do, I mean we do, and by the way it’s not $18 trillion, it’s now $19 trillion. So we have now $19 trillion in deficits. $19 trillion, you know if you look, we owe! When I say that, we owe, this is what you’re talking about, we owe $19 trillion as a country. And we’re gonna knock it down and we’re gonna bring it down big league and quickly, we’re gonna bring jobs back, we’re gonna bring business back, we’re gonna stop our deficits, we’re gonna stop our deficits, we’re gonna do it very quickly…
Oh, how! Are you ready? Number 1, we have tremendous cutting to do. You have a Department of Education that is totally out of control, massive costs. And, you know, most of the, and some of the Republican candidates like Common Core. I’m totally against Common Core. I want local education. When I’m in New Hampshire and Iowa and South Carolina, I want – so important. So we’re gonna have that.
We’re gonna save on Department of Environmental Protection, because they’re not doing it. They’re not doing their job, and they’re making it impossible for our country to compete. And many, many other things. Hundreds of billions of dollars is going to be saved, just in terms of running government.
In addition to that, I’m gonna bring millions of jobs back into this country. Okay, darling? Thank you.*
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Not distracting. You are accusing a sitting president of treason with no evidence whilst ignoring plain evidence of his opponent doing ethically dumb things.
Trump didn’t have the DOJ prosecute because someone smart got to him and told him “prosecuting political opponents on thin charges is a bad precedent and a bad look.”
At least I can get on board with this! Silver lining and all that.
Beyond that, Trump will do what is needed to keep his base. Spend more on defense and pretend to cut entitlements. He doesn’t actually want to cut entitlements, as such a large number of his grassroots supports utilize the shit out of the govt coffers.
Someone should go back and repost all the negative comments about Trump that were made when he accused Obama of illegally wire tapping him “bad (or sick) guy!”
Trump was right (again)
Yeah, it is, because Hillary didn’t win. She’s not relevant to anything. Second, I didn’t accuse a sitting president of anuthing - I said there’s enough smoke to register serious concern that something did happen (which is true).
And my point, which you conveniently ignored, is that if they are both guilty, both should pay. I said in plain terms that Hillary deserves no accommodation for any lawbreaking activity.
Friendly reminder that I am one who said that Hillary should be indicted based on Comey’s public statements during the campaign. [quote=“Basement_Gainz, post:6115, topic:223365”]
Trump didn’t have the DOJ prosecute because someone smart got to him and told him “prosecuting political opponents on thin charges is a bad precedent and a bad look.”
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Thin charges? For two posts now, you’ve insisted Hillary broke the law. Which one is it?
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How is the president supposed to cut Medicare/Social Security/Medicaid/Interest payment on borrowed money exactly?
Any president, not just this one.
Cutting expenditures doesn’t have anything to do with source of funding. We just need a politician with the vision and guts to do serious reform (which won’t be elimination of programs - that is a libertarian fantasy).
In any event, SS isn’t paid for on borrowed dollars.
Phase it out over the next 3 or 4 decades.
Something like:
55+ = 100%
45+ = 75%
35+ = 50%
25+ = 25%
<25 = 0%
Social Security continues to be collected until the 25+ crowd is dead. It sucks, but solves the problem.
We literally were just talking about how Trumpkins will proudly say Trump was “right” even though the evidence doesn’t say that. Thanks for proving the point.
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So what do we actually know for sure about Trump Russia?
We know Trump and some of his appointees have business ties to Russia. That’s what you get for electing a multi-national billionaire president. He has business ties in nearly every country worth having a hotel in.
We know members of the campaign spoke with foreign nationals, some of them Russians. That in and of itself is weak. We know they talked to people in China, Taiwan, S.A. etc… Talking to foreigners isn’t a crime. People will point out that “they talked to a company owned by a guy who’s Putin’s cousin.”
You can’t really charge them for conducting foreign policy ahead of time… because the entire world thought Trump would lose.
We know someone hacked the DNC. Some spooks said it was Russia. Wikileaks said it was Seth Rich. Then we find out the spooks can make a hack look like it came from anywhere. I doubt we’ll ever get closure on who did that.
We know some Russian based trolls setup fake news websites and trolled Twitter. That doesn’t prove collusion with Trump. Plenty of Americans spread fake news and troll Twitter.
What is it that Russia is supposed to have done to help Trump? Did they rig the voting software? I think there are two questions: Did Russia attempt to meddle? Seperately: Did Trump colluded with Russia to encourage the meddling?
Remember Hillary had bad blood with Putin as SOS. He may have gone after her all by himself. Don’t make enemies with a former KGB officer if you have skeletons on your server.
Serious question: What do you think really happened? What do you think can be proven?
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