You’re actually equating these two situations? Wow.
It’s also rather funny that if it came out that there was, in fact, a FISA warrant in play that led to Trump being intercepted, I imagine the response would be “AHA! See Trump was right!” rather than “It’s really fucking concerning that that there was enough evidence to support a FISA warrant.”
I see at least one person agrees with me- Nice.
Generally yea, although leaks are not uncommon. Bad, but not uncommon. I’ve said from the beginning, if Obama spied on Trump as a candidate, that is very, very bad. But the smoke on this is not in the same category - and we know this because if it were, Trump wouldn’t feel the need to fabricate direct claims over Twitter exaggerating the proof currently in possession of Obama spying.[quote=“Basement_Gainz, post:6061, topic:223365”]
Both sides are drumming things up bigger than they truly are. If there was evidence Trump colluded we’d have seen it in the 8 months since the election.
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Then what explains so many of the Trump surrogates having contact with Russians throughout the campaign? Just wacky coincidences?
It’s no game, you’ve been listening to Zeb too much, whose politics amounts to nothing more than parroting the mind-numbing stupidity of the “OBUMMER EXPOSED!” emails he receives every day.
It’s all very real, and Trump is trying to manage the news cycle as the damning news adds up. Every one paying attention gets it - it’s the worst poker tell imaginable. And Trump’s favorability in polls is reflecting the public’s exasperation with his nonsense.
Says the person who has been wrong on his political predictions. Want a reminder? Glad you asked. You said Trump would never get the GOP nomination. Then you said Hillary would become the next President and you topped it off by predicting that if elected Trump would never choose a conservative for the Supreme Court.
Better he listen to me at least I am correct most of the time.
PODESTA! HILLARY! DEBATE ANSWERS! UNMASKING! LIZARD PEOPLE!
…c’mon people, these things worked so well in 2016 so let’s focus on everything except the Trump-Russia connections…especially the new revelations about the Seychelles meeting…
It’s like a fifth grader that’s randomly thinking up excuses for not doing his homework…
Who cares? I also didn’t predict the winner of the Super Bowl. And I predicted the same winner of the presidential election that Team Trump did. My God, man - get a life. The fact that you can’t shut up about this self-described achievement is sad to behold.
Seems to me that you are the one who cannot “shutup” about me. Every chance you get you sling and ad hominem attack. I wasn’t speaking with you but that didn’t stop you from bringing up my name. And since you fancy yourself an expert on politics I wanted to remind you how very wrong you were and continue to be.
Get a life? You first.
You don’t know enough about America to be qualified to say one way or other other.
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NRO estimates that a Muslim is 5000% more likely than a non Muslim to commit an act of terror
I suppose it’s almost too obvious to point out - but witness the pathetic attempt to get some more mileage about of Hillary, who couldn’t be less relevant.
These amateurish tactics don’t work for long - everyone sees the reflexive “change the subject defense” - but worse than that, it shows his complete lack of respect for his supporters: he thinks they’re a bunch of idiots who can be easily distracted from serious issues with some scandalous nonsense made up in 30 seconds and in 140 characters.
I was making reference to something dumb you said over and over because someone else referenced something similar. I figured I would give you credit for it. That makes sense, right?[quote=“zeb1, post:6070, topic:223365”]
And since you fancy yourself an expert on politics I wanted to remind you how very wrong you were and continue to be.
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I don’t fancy myself as any kind of expert, I’m just another poster offering an opinion on an internet site. Whether fellow posters think I’m right or wrong is reflected in the quality of the discussions I have with them.
But no, you aren’t “reminding me of how wrong and continue to be” - that’s silly.
For the record: I strongly believe that by the time this russia thing shakes out LOOK A SQUIRREL!
But in the mean time there is no reason that we should be uncivil about it.
Then it shouldn’t bother you that I made reference to something dumb that you said…actually several dumb things that you said.
As it is silly of you to attack me when I am not involved in the discussion. Well, a tad worse than silly actually.
But you didn’t - you continued to comically beat your chest about your awesomely awesome predictions, which no one cares about. Well, except you, I guess. It seems to be the linchpin of your self-esteem. [quote=“zeb1, post:6075, topic:223365”]
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No, not silly - attributing previous statements where appropriate. If it bugs you that much, ignore my posts.
Oh but I did. Want another reminder? It was not about me being correct as much as it was about you making three dumb predictions.
I would if I could but unfortunately there is no longer an ignore feature and as I read through the thread there you are attacking me for no reason as I was not involved in the discussion. So consider me simply attributing your previous statements where appropriate. Hopefully there will be no need to remind you in the future.
But I didn’t. I predicted Hillary would win (not a dumb prediction) and I never predicted Trump wouldn’t nominate a conservative - I said there was reason to believe he wouldn’t and that conservatives should be nervous about that.
But hey, one thing remains unchanged - there’s nothing you won’t misrepresent in a discussion. Same old Zeb.
There’s no need to remind me of anything, but in a any event, you’d just intentionally misrepresent what was said anyway. Thanks anyway.
I find the selective moral outrage of BOTH sides to be quite amusing.
Does anyone remember when the for profit Clinton Foundation was making millions in speaking fees from countries with decisions in front of then SoS Clinton? The same liberal posters who had no problem with that have big problems with Trump having business ties to Russia, SA, and just about every other foreign boogeyman dejour. The position is reversed for conservatives. They cared when it was “Crooked Hillary” but not “conflict of interest Donald.”
What you have to remember is that to a person: politicians who become household names are bad people. The type of people who seek and attain power aren’t nice or moral.
Now in this specific situation. Russia vs wiretapping. We know for certain that a felony was committed by someone in the administration leaking classified information. We don’t know for certain that Trump’s team committed felonies. I’ll bet his team talked to every country on earth, not just Russia.
Here’s the thing, unless there’s a smoking gun recording or transcript (a stained dress if you will), then the investigation will lead to nothing. My prediction: the democrats will get some small fry (Scooter Libby) on perjury if they get anything. Trump can already demagogue Susan frigging Rice, senior white house official. And with Obama’s IRS persecution track record, the narrative fits. Politically Trump can win this.
Not with the left obviously. Trump could cede the presidency to Nome Chomsky and the left would still hate him lol.
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But I didn’t. I predicted Hillary would win (not a dumb prediction) and I never predicted Trump wouldn’t nominate a conservative - I said there was reason to believe he wouldn’t and that conservatives should be nervous about that.[/quote]
LOL same old TB. I have been around T Nation for as long as you have and I never once remember you admitting that you were wrong. Not one time. You always have to be right…even when you’re wrong. It’s one thing to go with the trend but you were adamant that Hillary would win. And you did predict that Trump would never get the nomination and yes finally you did predict that he would not choose a conservative to the SC. You can couch it any way it makes you feel better as I know it hurts you deeply to admit you were wrong.
Oh but there is. When I am attacked for no reason, not even being involved in the discussion, there is a need to point out your flaws just as you like to do to me (and others) for no reason.
I have an idea, let’s simply agree to not speak to one another or mention the other persons name. If so we can avoid all of this. I’m sure the others would appreciate this as well.
You may have missed it (I think it was in a different thread) but in a similar discussion, I mentioned the example of local hero John Fetterman, mayor of Braddock, as an example of how most people truly dedicated to the concept of “public service” realize they can do more good volunteering and/or serving in local offices than they can on a higher level.
“So called conservatives” didn’t vote for Ted Cruz, they voted for Trump. Essentially they trolled the establishment electing someone with as much decorum as a used car salesman. Trump is a great big monkey wrench thrown into the establishment gears. My only regret so far, is that Trump hasn’t appointed the Duck Dynasty boys to high office.
My sentiments exactly, TB…
