Now this we can agree on!
Sending the Marines in to kick ass inTripoli is bonafide proof the FFs did not want Islam here,
Okay - maybe that was over piracy and extortion.
Here is my reason for not wanting Islam in the US. I believe 100% that is a political system which also intertwiines itself (or perhaps is the synthesis of) with a legal system and religion - Sharia and woship of Allah.
Why do I believe this? 7 years of Sunday School with a teacher raised for 15 years by missionary parents in Indonesia. This upbringing within the community, supplemented by a Christian theological degree and 10 year pastorship - were certainly sufficient to allow this man to make objective comparison and contrast between the 2 religions as to their scope and ultimate aim.
Secondly, my church has offered several courses in attempting to better understand Islam, in order to better witness to them. Last year would be representative of our efforts - support of 4 different familes living as missionaries in Muslim countries and 2 - 2 weeks witnessing trips to Europe with about 16 - 20 participants in total.
Thirdly, my daughter (who professed atheism during first semester of college) has now decided she is a Muslim and has married a Jordanian immigrant here for 3-4 years. At first knowledge of her interest in Islam (not knowing she would ‘sneak’ marry), we began reading and researching to combat this spiritual battle. I can’t explain to non believers how serious these acts are to parents who are totally committed to their faith. But we have both poured books, seminars, and web searches into our minds, to assist in fighting what to us, is a life and death battle.
If your reason is kumbaya and we are the world or “there is no specific prohibition in the Constitution excluding Islam”, then don’t bother. But if you can offer persuasive reasoning refuting why Islam is strictly a religion, rather than a totalitarian system at odds with our Constitution, and thus its practitioners lawfully prohibited from coming here - l will listen.
Lastly, while I believe non establishment of State religion has been misinterpreted into ‘no religion anywhere’ by atheists, l have no issue with Hindu, Jewish, et al or even ‘none’. After all, these religions are not attempting overrun the world’s political system at the point of the sword for 1400 years.
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I wish my diocese would stop the Muslim outreach to be perfectly honest. They spend so much time attempting to “bridge the divide” in our theology that they forget to exemplify Catholicism, or at least Christ. We aren’t going to put more butts in the pews by telling people how swell Islam is. I wish the bishop would make it clear that tolerance and acceptance of another religion is not the same thing.
treco my heart goes out to you my friend. Keep the faith perhaps your daughter will see the light.
Thank you for your candor and well-written post.
All I will say is that I think it would be challenging to make the argument that any religion is purely a religion. Religious law(s) should not become and we mustn’t allow them to become a reality in the United States of America. The separation of Church, Mosque, Temple, etc… and State alone is worth fighting for.
To me, in the context of your post, there are two separate issues.
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The free exercise of one’s religion. This should not only be allowed, but it is one of the founding pillars of the United States. It is one of the many reasons people risked death to journey to the new world.
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Religious law (Sharia): There should never be a law adopted, in any form, that is based on religious law. I don’t care what religion it is.
My $0.02 anyway.
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The constitution doesn’t apply to non-US citizens outside of the US. He’s talking about muslims immigrating to America.
When anyone immigrants to the U.S. the Constitution applies to them.
But if you don’t allow them to immigrate here, then it doesn’t.
Isn’t that what Treco is saying? Not that he wants to take away the ability to practise islam to people in the US?
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we began reading and researching to combat this spiritual battle[/quote]
Based on my reading of your post, this is the real crux for you, not really the political or the social. You simply believe Muslims believe wrongly in spiritual matters, and everything flows from that.
Fair to say? Or am I wrong?
He just says this is why he doesn’t want Islam in the U.S. Perhaps he’ll clarify.
Treco I think what happened to your daughter is going to be common with more Muslim immigrants.
Islam for all its faults produces strong men who believe so deeply in their convictions their willing to die for them. The same cannot be said for modern day Christians.
Women will always choose strong men over weak ones
These bitches routinely hide behind women and children. Bin Laden was using one of his wives as a human shield when he got shot in the face.
Your world view genuinely boggles my mind.
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And?
They’ll go to ends of Earth to protect their faith and subjugate non-believers.
Strong men often treat women and children like total shit.
Okay, boss…
I think you’re confusing strong with moral, they’re not the same.
Thanks to the other replies above.
The spiritual battle for us personally is that our daughter has walked away from our faith, first to atheism, then gradually to agnosticism, and then settled into that which we consider a false religion. We literally believe that it a battle for her soul.
But from a societal viewpoint, I believe the tenets of Islam high-jack the religion portion into a political system that controls every aspect of its followers’ lives. The religious component allows the leaders a source of ‘absolute authority’ to morally enforce the social directives. Combined with an actual legal system (Sharia) that controls the population in a physical sense, ensures the leaders of Islam are the de facto leaders of the nation.
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Then they are by definition not strong men.
No, I’m not. Hiding behind a woman while in a firefight is being a cowardly bitch. The opposite of strong.
Was Genghis Khan not a strong man?
He literally raped thousands of women, slaughtered innocent children etc.
I’m not saying strong = moral.
The way you connect things in your head is just astounding. Khan was a strong man in that he actually fought in the battles that led to the creation of his empire. The raping & killing of innocents has nothing to do with whether or not he was strong or weak. It’s just an awful fact about his life and conquest.
Many combatant Muslim’s, on the other hand, are fucking cowards. They use children to commit jihad or hide in compounds or caves for years on end. Instead of going out like a fucking man, Laden hid behind one of his wives. The exact opposite of what a strong man would do.
I’m gonna drop this now so feel free to say whatever, I don’t care.