Correct.
Do we know the outcome of the investigation one way or the other?
Correct.
Do we know the outcome of the investigation one way or the other?
I’d say so. It would have been leaked to sink Trump before the election
therajraj:
I love how the statement basically says that Obama never ordered any wire tapping, and it’s somehow confirmation that wire tapping actually happened.
Anyone prepared to yell “fake news” at her tweet or does that only apply to CNN?
Ya, I’m not aware of any evidence that’s been made public that a wiretapping even existed let alone was ordered by Obama. But, hey, what does that matter…?
It’s a brave new world.
pfury:
therajraj:
I love how the statement basically says that Obama never ordered any wire tapping, and it’s somehow confirmation that wire tapping actually happened.
Anyone prepared to yell “fake news” at her tweet or does that only apply to CNN?
Ya, I’m not aware of any evidence that’s been made public that a wiretapping even existed let alone was ordered by Obama. But, hey, what does that matter…?
It’s a brave new world.
It did exist, it’s public record. No one is debating the existence of the tap
Do you have a link? I haven’t seen that reported.
This is all spiraling way out of control.
Do you have a link? I haven’t seen that reported.
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I’d say so. It would have been leaked to sink Trump before the election
You’re assuming the investigation was completed at that time, when we don’t know if it’s complete even now.
And Obama declined to allow release of info prior to the election, for fear of being seen as trying to inappropriately influence the process.

It's not surprising that Russia tried to spy on the country. But our leaders did little to stop it—and that doesn't bode well for the intelligence community under Trump.
Thanks. I didn’t realize this was stemming from the FISA warrant.
Here’s my guess about the tapping:
They weren’t trying to find a Russia connection because the Democrats know the Russia stuff is bogus. They were looking for dirt to bury Trump and came up empty.
Now it’s basically backfired on them because Trump has made the public aware of what they’re doing
It did exist, it’s public record. No one is debating the existence of the tap
To the contrary, many ‘in the know’ people (Clapper; Comey) are refuting this claim.
Thanks. I didn’t realize this was stemming from the FISA warrant.
Don’t go thanking him just yet. As of now, there is no evidence of a FISA wiretap, and much evidence against the idea.
therajraj:
It did exist, it’s public record. No one is debating the existence of the tap
To the contrary, many ‘in the know’ people (Clapper; Comey) are refuting this claim.
Isn’t Comey rejecting the claim that the tap came from Obama, not the existence of the tap?
You’ll notice the Obama administration isn’t denying the existence of the tap, they’re just saying it didn’t come from Obama.
Important distinction.
Don’t go thanking him just yet.
Thanking him for the link. I’ve no clue what’s going on…
They were looking for dirt to bury Trump and came up empty.
Your hypothesis is collusion between the FISA court and the White House to bury a candidate that was losing in every major poll up to the election?
You’ll notice the Obama administration isn’t denying the existence of the tap,
Senior law enforcement and intelligence officials who worked in the Obama administration have said that there were no secret intelligence warrants regarding Mr. Trump. Asked whether such a warrant existed, James R. Clapper Jr., a former director of national intelligence, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” “Not to my knowledge, no.”
“There was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president-elect at the time, as a candidate or against his campaign,” Mr. Clapper added.

The F.B.I. director wants the Justice Department to refute Mr. Trump’s contention that Barack Obama ordered the tapping of his phones, a claim that Mr. Comey says is false, officials said.
Who are the sources?

Who are the sources?
Unleashing a line of attack that energized an enthusiastic crowd at the nation’s largest gathering of conservative activists, Trump said Friday that unethical reporters “make up stories and make up sources.”
“They shouldn’t be allowed to use sources unless they use somebody’s name,” he declared. “Let their name be put out there.”

Trump continued to slam the free press, which he describes as "the opposition party" that "doesn't represent the people."
therajraj:
You’ll notice the Obama administration isn’t denying the existence of the tap,
Senior law enforcement and intelligence officials who worked in the Obama administration have said that there were no secret intelligence warrants regarding Mr. Trump. Asked whether such a warrant existed, James R. Clapper Jr., a former director of national intelligence, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” “Not to my knowledge, no.”
“There was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president-elect at the time, as a candidate or against his campaign,” Mr. Clapper added.
You’re relying on the statement of someone who has already been caught lying under oath.
“Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?”
“No, sir.” - James Clapper, under oath.
That’s basically what I was getting at.