You do know that this can be taken to the Supreme Court right?
Setting aside that habeas corpus isn’t in the BOR, it always gets complicated in matters of national security, and especially when a domestic rebellion is underway. As it has been said before, the Constitution is not a suicide pact:
…in nearly one-third of the States had subverted the whole of the laws . . . Are all the laws, but one, to go unexecuted, and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one be violated?[quote=“Basement_Gainz, post:3773, topic:223365”]
So theoretically how do they fix that? Should condgress pass a law limiting EO power? But then the executive would never sign it. You’d need a Rand Paul type president to sign that.
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Yes, exactly - a President would have to want to curtail his office’s powers, and fat chance. In theory, Congress can override the veto, but not with the partisan mindlessness we see today.[quote=“Basement_Gainz, post:3773, topic:223365”]
The reason I ask is because the media is portraying Trump as a dictator. That’s a little silly given everything he’s done so far is something other presidents have done before him. But he could be a dictator if he chooses, pretty darned easily.
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It’s not silly - there has never been a presidential candidate with so many stated autocratic desires.[quote=“Basement_Gainz, post:3773, topic:223365”]
But so could Obama… where was the press then?
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Who cares? Who listens to the press anyway?
A better question is where is the GOP now? They control Congress. Where are all the bills to make sure Obama-level overreach occurs now that he has left the office?
Crickets chirping.
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Let’s assume this is 100% accurate. Here is what the court said (which is included in the article you posted and didn’t read):
In dismissing the Trump executive order, San Francisco’s Ninth Circuit court of appeals said, “The government has pointed to no evidence…that any alien from any of the countries named in the order has perpetrated a terrorist attack in the United States.”
So this evidence exists, but the Trump DOJ didn’t bother submitting it to court as part of defending its TRO?
Heh. Clown show.
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Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, depending on your point of view, the takeaway is elections matter.
A Nevertrumper tacitly admitting the policy idea makes sense and only critizing the execution is a positive on some level.
The most important act of the Trump’s early administration and the rollout is a disaster, they have to walk back the original policy, they piss off Mattis, and they screw up easily defending the basis for their TRO (assuming your article is correct).
Anyone who has confidence in the executive ability of this administration is probably also banking on a Trump vodka rebound.
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Uh, no. There’s no admission tacit or otherwise that the policy idea makes sense. (It doesn’t.)
And to technically be a NeverTrumper, I think I have to be Republican who will never support Trump. Rest assured, I’m not.
Why don’t you lay out where you stand politically then
I don’t think there’s much demand in this thread to read Thunderbolt’s Unabridged Political Philosophy. That said, I’m an old fashioned fiscal conservative and all that entails, both fiscally and morally, and my roots are closer to Jefferson and Madison than Hamilton.
This is supremely aggravating btw…
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I was referring to legislation by judiciary, wondering if it were more common now than in the past. It is as troubling to me as the llegislature abdicating their rightful duties to overly aggressive executives. Or the Federal usurping states’ rights.
The prevalance of appointing more like minded judges, even for their impartial position, would be normal behavior to my mind.
Sure, but the right has had six years to come up with a replacement. (I don’t really care what they call it; I am just against an out-and-out repeal.)
Brilliant? It blew up in his face; members of his own party have not been shy about voicing their distaste with how it was handled.
Criticism of the press is valid. Perhaps Trump should consider when and where it’s appropriate to air his grievances.
Not just me:
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John McCain, R-Ariz., called Bannon’s appointment “a radical departure from any National Security Council in history.”
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“This is stone cold crazy. After a week of crazy. Who needs military advice or intell to make policy on ISIL, Syria, Afghanistan, DPRK?” https://twitter.com/jrivera64/status/825606733246509056 — Susan Rice (Former National Security Adviser who worked with Trump’s National Security Adviser Michael Flynn during the transition)
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Susan Collins (R): “I am very surprised, disappointed and very much disagree with the president’s decision to restructure that important committee,” she said.
The rest of your post is comparing eight years with three weeks.
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The ‘moderates’ of the GOP are the Democrats of 35ish years ago and before, and the Dems are Socialists to Communists from the same time.
So why the surprise that moderate GOP is fiddling about instead of helping Trump. They literally are in favor of globalism, no borders, borrow and spend, and war for Pax Americana. They pick a couple of issues of morality to half heartedly ‘champion’ in order to gain religious support.
Ryan, McConnell, et al quite literally want Trump to fail, as long as they can remain in power.
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It just seems as though you don’t particularly speak highly of any current movement/group or politician not only Trump.
That’s why I asked
Oh, I disagree completely. In fact, it’s just the opposite.
Pre-Trump, the entire political spectrum–both parties–had been steadily shifting rightward for years. Today’s moderate Dems would have been what were called ‘Rockefeller Republicans’ in the 70s. I tell folks I’ve only voted for two Republican POTUS candidates in my life–Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Both fit the Rockefeller Republican model to a ‘T.’ So overall–and again, I’m speaking pre-Trump’s ascendance–the Dem party is much more ‘right’ than it was back in the day.
Likewise, the Republicans have been racing rightward since the Reagan years. The pace of this shift increased dramatically after the 2010 Census, which allowed the GOP-controlled House to redistrict their seats to make them safer. Now, such redistricting is not unique to the GOP–when they have been in power during census years, the Dems did the same. However, this last go-round the GOP made their seats ‘too’ safe. What I mean is, they made them so thoroughly Republican that an incumbent never had to worry about being unseated from the left, ie, by a Dem. Instead, the only way a GOP incumbent could lose his/her seat was to be ‘primaried,’ and the only way to get primaried was to be outflanked on one’s right. Thus, since 2010, moderate-leaning Republicans have been primaried essentially out of existence, resulting in a GOP caucus that is extremely right in its orientation. And we all know how that’s been for the country.
The ascendancy of Trump has shocked and energized the long-slumbering left wing of the Dem party. Will this left wing be able to actually shift the party leftward? Time will tell.
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I stopped at about #4 or #5. That’s about all that needs to happen to make sure the government is completely broke. It’s already, so broke we should just color the flag red and be done with it. Because, that’s the next step folks. Financial ruin, and over run by an desperate autocratic regime. How much can you incentive business growth, when the government backing the currency has no trading partners and red ink?
I’m getting ready for when the last nail is hammered in, and the real screwballs take over. Good luck, y’all!
As I said we will see how Trump does as the weeks and months unwind. But as I said I am quite happy with most of what he has done so far. You are a lefty and therefore you will not be happy with him. Also, he’s a big meany, he must a sexist, um…oh yeah a racist and I heard he kicks small animals. So…I get it. Hate him man it’s what makes politics a blood sport.
But you seem like a pretty nice guy and you have taken my kidding very well. Thank you.
As for skipping over the many, many Obama failures. Sheesh…he couldn’t get anything right could he? There really is no defense for things like “you can keep your own doctor” and the many other things that he did and said. It was 8 years of disaster after disaster both at home and abroad.
And in the end he gave us all Donald Trump. I don’t think you were around back then but I was a Rubio supporter. But the political pendulum swings wildly from side to side.
Let’s see he also gave us 900 republican legislative seats, 34 republican Governors and of course as you know a republican Senate and House.
So, I guess he did do something good in the very end 
Hold on are we talking about the guy who first allowed Obama to take office? That John McCain? Not many like him anymore…
Little Suzy Collins from Maine describes herself as moderate. But, she could switch parties tomorrow and continue on, no one would notice. She’s always been a democrat in republican clothing.
What else you got?
By the way, you are spitting on the memory of Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy.
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