@anon71262119 just answer this one questioN.
Let’s say you have a son applying for college and he just missed the cut off for his program of choice. You later learn 3 illegals did get accepted to that very program.
How would that make you feel?
What are your feelings about the rollout of his refugee ban? Not on the ban itself, but on the implementation.
How about his representatives (ie Spencer & Kellyanne) CONSISTENTLY dropping the ball. They’re his staff so ultimately his responsibility. Opinions on them?
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No quite as easy as expected. Congresspeople are learning that many of their constituents actually like having healthcare.
A ridiculously stupid “law”. I agree that regulations need an overhaul, but this will equate to (to quote your most favorite person in the world) “using a hatchet where you need a scalpel”.
If he’s getting rid of felons and dangerous people, A-Ok with me. If he’s deporting mothers who have been productive members of society for 20 years, not so much.
Then let’s recap some of his other Greatest Hits from the past three weeks:
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Signd an EO banning Muslims from seven countries that has absolutely gotten smacked down by the courts. A move that angered others in the GOP because he did it without asking for input and offered no warning.
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Attacked the judiciary for their decision. (When Trump tweeted, in all caps, “SEE YOU IN COURT” after the decision, Gov Inslee from WA responded “Mr. President, we just saw you in court, and we beat you.”
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Bashed Arnold Schwarzenegger’s “Apprentice” ratings at the National Prayer Breakfast, spent his time bashing the press and discussing his election win during both his Black History Month speech and meeting at the CIA (in front of the Memorial Wall, no less).
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Threatened to defund UC Berkeley (which he cannot do in isolation)
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Removed the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and Director of National Intelligence from the NSC to make way for Steve Bannon
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Went after Nordstrom (on Twitter, of course) after they cancelled Ivanka’s product line. Kellyanne then jumped in the fray to the point that Jason Chaffetz is actually warning them about ethics violations.
This list could go on. In addition to the above, he has the lowest approval and highest disapproval ratings since these polls began.
So you and I obviously have differing opinions on what a successful start to a presidency looks like.
EDIT: forgot to add the raid in Yemen (which Trump decided on over dinner) the resulted in the death of a Navy Seal, a $90m helicopter and 23 civilians, including children. When McCain criticized the mission, Trump tweeted in response, “He’s been losing so long he doesn’t know how to win anymore”. Sean Spicer called the mission “absolutely a success.”
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Keep in mind that I am mainly here to entertain not inform.
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I swear this is what l read , hehe
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This was a real highlight.
An EO got smacked down by a federal, um, court…and Trump’s response was SEE YOU IN COURT.
Fabulous.
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If ends up getting the refugee ban passed ultimately I won’t care.
You mean Spicer and Kellyanne? I don’t particularly care about PR especially since the liberal media will be extremely hard on them
I already outlined what I consider a successful presidency pre-election :
-Carry out his immigration policy
- don’t start any new wars
Wait people suddenly care about innocent people dying in the Middle East ???
Well, Trump and Comrade Flynn are dead set on a war with Iran so I guess you can cross this off your list.
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Me too. It’s hard to say with a straight face the government doesn’t have a likely chance of prevailing on the merits, given the level of deference afforded the executive.
Interestingly, other members of the 9th Circuit have moved to rehear it en banc.
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Where are the limits on EO’s? Are there any? Abraham Lincoln can suspend the writ of habeas corpus with an EO and just ignore the supreme court when they rule against him.
Not that I disagree with a 90 day travel stay so we can “vet” people (the rollout sucked). But what prevents any executive from EOing anything he wants? Trump wants 35% tax rate, done (for example). Why wait for congress? Why have a Congress at all?
I know Obama and Bush 2 had a ton of EO’s… I thought I remembered in Civics class that legislature writes laws and executives execute them. I guess the original point of EO’s was the president telling his administration HOW to execute the laws, not creating new ones. What happened? The whole three co-equal seperate branches thing… not so much.
The President’s source of authority to issue Executive Orders can be found in the Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution which grants to the President the “executive Power.” Section 3 of Article II further directs the President to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.”
I was about to respond, and I’m happy to, but after reading thia again I have to ask - are you being serious or sarcastic?
Because of course there are limits on a president’s use of EOs.
I’ll make one point on the hypothetical tax rate change - if Obama’s executive hijinks are the new precedent, Trump has a solid argument that he can suspend tax obligations written in law and exempt certain people from paying certain taxes. It would be an obnoxious move politically, of course, but he can point to Obama as the precedent setter for such things.
Read the example about Lincoln. There are only limits if the other branches enforce them.
During the New Deal the president simply threatened to pack the court if they kept defying him and bam all the sudden his laws were constitutional.
What are the practical limits in today’s world?
Also my example is silly because the congress controls taxation. Woops.
The Lincoln example is not like any other example. It’s too unique to be a valid comparison and things are different when there’s a rebellion afoot.
As for the practical limits, courts handle challenges to unconstitutional EOs - the Steel Seizure Case being one of the most famous examples:
Congress, too, can do something about it by changing the law that the executive is (improperly) enforcing, but that would require Congress to grow a spine and not always adhere to the party line. That used happen, to a certain degree - Congressional members would turn on a President of the same party when he overreached because they knew that the overreach was bad even if gave them what they wanted from a policy standpoint.
We don’t have that now, and it’s a crime. Now we have a de facto parliamentary system where everyone in the same party lines up behind their President like a pack of servile lemmings. A President can throw around all manner of unlawful EOs and we really only have courts to play defense on them.
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The 9th Circus homie.
Slow down on the celebration. The 9th is less a court and more a Progressive indoctrination camp. They are less concerned with being judges and more concerned with being the enforcement arm of the leftist legislatures.
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So the bill of rights only exists when it’s convenient. Sort of like unwarranted gun seizures during Katrina. If you only have a right when things are going well, you don’t have that right.
Also thanks for the link. Hadn’t seen that precedent before and I agree with your take on lemming congress and party first mentality.
So theoretically how do they fix that? Should condgress pass a law limiting EO power? But then the executive would never sign it. You’d need a Rand Paul type president to sign that.
The reason I ask is because the media is portraying Trump as a dictator. That’s a little silly given everything he’s done so far is something other presidents have done before him. But he could be a dictator if he chooses, pretty darned easily. But so could Obama… where was the press then?
Report finds 72 terrorists came from countries on the list of EO
70% of the Appeals Courts are Dem appointed majority. Although this is an ebb and flow environment concerning appointment, Judicial ‘legislation’ seems more common today. Defer to @thunderbolt23 as to if this is correct though.
Most people like having health care? Now who’d a thought? LOL That’s why they are going to REPLACE it…Remember the mantra “repeal and replace”. Okay…
It’s obvious at this point that you don’t own a business. We need a hatchet! Bravo Trump get rid of regulations all they do is stifle growth and cost small business mega bucks.
Okay, first off you don’t warn terrorists that you are cracking down on border entry so he was brilliant in doing it that way. Secondly, were you all in a lather when Obama signed executive orders without getting input from the DNC? Nope…
Yeah I get it, but do you? According to the latest polling data Trump is trusted more than the mainstream media. So…whatever he’s doing it’s working. Pisses you right off huh? Yeah…
Yeah he has that right. YOU don’t like it? Oh well…there will be plenty you don’t like over the next four years this is only the start. Just grin and bear it the way I had to do when Obama raised my taxes through the roof.
I doubt that if you had more you’d post it. You hate Trump and you should! He’s a big meany.
True, I like Presidents who try to get things done that are productive. I don’t like Presidents who tell me “you didn’t build that someone else did it for you”. Funny after working 10 to 12 hours a day 6 days a week for years and years I thought I built it.
I also don’t like Presidents who punish success with oppressive taxes. Then taking the money and expanding food stamp programs. And of course adding thousands of new IRS agents.
I could go on…no wait I will go on:
IRS targeted Obama’s conservative enemies
Benghazi (what a debacle)
The Justice Department spied on the Associated Press reporters’ phone records. You’re too young to remember Richard Nixon, but this was so very Nixonesque.
Eric Holder gun running in Mexico (Fast and Furious). One can only imagine what would have happened if it had been a republican AG.
Solyndra…eh what’s a few billion wasted tax dollars right?
Attacking Libya without Congressional approval. But what the hell Obama has spit on the Constitution before so what’s one more time right? And we all know how Libya turned out…
How about drawing a “red line” and then doing nothing after it was crossed?
“You can keep your own doctor” Haha that was a good one.
Here’s a good one: Obama was supposed to heal our racial divisions. Hey…I would not have minded if he didn’t heal those divisions. But to stoke the fire and make them worse? WOW…want to talk about failing?
Withdrawing prematurely from Iraq allowing terrorists groups to grow. Nice job Barack…
And what about that mean old Trump too tight with Putin right? But Obama allowed Putin to walk all over him. Putin is now in the middle east thanks to Obama’s weak foreign policy. Oh wait I take that back you’d have to have a foreign policy for it to be weak. Obama didn’t really have one.
NSA spying on its own citizens.
Isis is the JV team (one of his best)
Then there is the deplorable (Hillary and I like that word) way Obama has treated our injured troops. How long did some of them wait before they got to see a doctor? How many suicides because of this and other problems with the way he handled returning vets? Shameful.
Zero! That is the number of democrats that voted for Obama’s first two budgets. Oh how embarrassing.
Spent a trillion dollars on shovel-ready jobs and later admit there were actually no shovel ready jobs. Oops …
Wasn’t the credit rating of the US cut under Obama? Yes it was and that’s never happened before
But he does have some firsts: Obama was the first President to hide his medical, travel and educational records. Now why would he do a think like that? Hmm
But in all fairness he did do something for employment. His wife had 22 personal servants at her immediate disposal. Nice.
And I will end with leaving country with 20 trillion in debt!
Barack Obama the absolutely worst modern day President!
Yes, Trump is goofy tweeting and talking about the Apprentice. He’s also a big mouth bragger and many other undesirable things as a human being…no question. But I will take him any day over Hillary and Barack. One proved he couldn’t do the job and the other proved to be a horrible Secretary of State.
Maybe Trump will be a disaster…then again maybe he will turn this mess around. Let’s wait and see.
Bye for now my friend.
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