Ok, let me get this right- I use my nieces husband and some former co-workers to make my point, and you have to make up a story to make yours?
Maybe thats why I don’t follow.
I tried it without the extreme example and it didn’t get me very far. Next time I’ll just move on.
Lesson learned. Much appreciated.
Next time try having the entire history of immigration in this country on your side.
Worked for me!
I couldn’t have said it better. Stronger border enforcement makes imminent sense - a wall is a waste of taxpayer’s money that serves as a symbol, little else. Amazing how many “conservatives” want to waste such staggering amounts of public dollars on a solution to illegal immigration when there are more cost-effective options.
Make no mistake, this is a vanity project for nativists, not effective policy.
And I agree - the illegals here now deserve a path to citizenship (except felons). The Left and Right are complicit in letting the problem get to this point, and deporting these folks is simply inhumane and unjust after looking the other way after all these years.
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I agree from a basic humanity standpoint, but where does it end?
Do we say “You’ve been slinging dope for so long. We shouldn’t prosecute that.”.
How long should someone be allowed to get away with something before that activity gets grandfathered into legitimacy?
No pardon required, it makes sense. And yes, I get it now–I caught that last part after I had read farther down the thread.
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Sure. From my standpoint I would look at this hypothetical in a long term way–less places to cross the border mean greater likelihood of catching them at the points that remain, as well as the fact that while the short term fallout from lack of supply may be significant the long term picture is much more likely to be better.
Slinging dope isn’t the same thing as coming to a foreign country and trying to earn a living and raise a family. I hope you can appreciate the difference.
And the solution is to create a pathway to citizenship at the same time you draw a tough line at the border - then from that point forward, enforce the law.
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Agree on everything else. As for this, 20 billion dollars sounds like a lot (well, for real people it IS), until you consider that for 2015 the federal govt spent a bit over $10.4 billion every single day.
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Or it means that transportation would shift from overland to other means (air and sea). Or the route would shift from Mexico–>America to Mexico–>Canada–>America.
We’re talking about a multi-billion dollar industry. It’s not going to be defeated by a wall, or by any other imaginable means of interdiction. However, it could be defeated by getting rid of the demand-side of the equation. That’s where our efforts (and resources) should be directed.
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I agree, but I am a true blue fiscal conservative, and for me, a boondoggle is a boondoggle, regardleas of relative size of the budget.
And more besides, cutting a trillion dollars starts with cutting twenty billion.
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Illegal immigrants deserve nothing. They commited a misdemeanor to get here. Deport them and let them re-apply. The whole “sanctuary cities are about community policing, we wouldn’t want illegals to be afraid of police” argument is nonsense. They are not part of the community.
Illegal immigrants should be afraid of the police. They are outlaws! What other crime would that line of reasoning make sense?
Local PD: “He owes 10 years of back taxes, but we won’t tell the IRS we have him in custody on an unrelated charge. We wouldn’t want tax dodgers to be afraid of the police.”
Local PD: “He had 5 fake ID’s on him. We found evidence that he’s an identity theif and commited bank fraud by having accounts with stolen ID’s. We won’t tell the feds we have him in custody on an unrelated charge. We wouldn’t want identity thieves and bank fraudsters to be afraid of the police.”
Those arguments hold absolutely no water, and nobody would make them because average run of the mill federal criminals are fair game. The bleeding hearts seem to care more about illegals for some reason.
As it turns out many illegals aren’t “undocumented” they’re false documented. They have fake id’s and file fake tax returns. Some even receive benefits with this false information. Many of them commit bank and wire fraud when they send money home using these fake identities. How many laws does someone have to blatently and intentionally break before the community thing doesn’t apply?
We are a nation of laws. Illegals break laws merely by being here. They should face the consequences of their crimes. Cities that harbor them are aiding and abetting crime.
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That seems like a good workable solution.
I could see that actually happening.
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100% agreed. I’m personally in favor of any level of deportation we could push out.
Or Rape, or anything else…
What do you guys believe is the reason behind many leftists not wanting to deport people, wanting to take refugees, and wanting open borders?
Votes and making centralized state power a necessity.
Refugees and illegals can’t take care of themselves they need a big government to to provide healthcare, food stamps, education etc.
The ultimate goal has always been to push the country towards central planning. If you have a huge dependant class they’ll always vote for bigger government
So you think your average 20-something liberal thinks this?
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No I think most are just following what’s popular. The narrative leaders know what they’re doing
I’m not suggesting a wall should be built or that it will stop the problem. Industry is industry. However I don’t believe that pinching off an access point for drugs should ever be considered a BAD thing even if it will cause the cartels to shift focus. We should certainly work demand side as well.
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