I didn’t mean Nazi Germany collateral damage. You said yourself some mexicans need to be vilified. I think it’s a pretty reasonable statement that the mexican population doesn’t consist SOLELY of drug dealers, cartel members, and gang enforcers.
Vilify an ethnicity when some of them deserve it and others don’t creates collateral damage. I don’t think collateral damage is “wrong” (yes ofc collateral damage is wrong) in the sense that in a realistic view of the world, it’s inevitable. That being said people seem to think that collateral damage doesn’t exist. Ofc it exists, people just need to decide where to draw the line.
I wasn’t commenting that collateral damage needs to be 0, just that it needs to be actually considered.
In my experience, it’s not. I’m not just being contrarian here. But it may well be that both of us are hearing what we want to hear (aka experiencing confirmation bias).
Would the same be true of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Alex Jones, etc, and the GOP? Because I can’t say I ever hear pushback from the GOP against some of the outlandish utterances of these individuals.
No, he’s not. Neither did he accuse Romney of being a racist who’d like to bring back slavery.
On a lighter note, I’m noticing a trend in your comments:
Do me a favor–get some new friends.
Hope your eye feels better soon. And henceforth wear eye protection when working in the yard. This time it was ‘only’ a scratch to the surface; next time it could be a perforating injury. If you could see what I’ve seen…
Ok. As an Irishman/Scottsman I don’t see anything wrong with some of the jabs that used to be used in the same way that this supposed vilification of mexicans is being portrayed. We’re supposed to be drunk, lazy and violent by historical accounts.
But a sense of heritage and pride distinguishes the difference between an actual mexican drug dealer/gangster and those that do not want to be in any way associated with them. Any proud, honest, hard working mexican is going to do what it takes to distance themselves from the bad ones. Like my nieces husband, and their kids. I want them to have a good strong sense of heritage and ethics, and they will- Because their father came here legally and works his ass off so that they can have a good life. They aren’t part of the problem and they know it.
People can say anything they want about the guy. It doesn’t change who he is or what he does one iota.
First and foremost (and I know this probably wasn’t your intent) there is almost no line to draw between how Mexicans and Irish are protrayed in today’s world in this country.
The other thing is that vilifying a race doesn’t inherently ONLY vilify the people you’re thinking of in your head. Collateral damage DOES happen (like I said, it’s an inevitable part of life).
Also I respectfully disagree that what “people say” doesn’t change who someone is. On an individual by individual basis, that’s probably true, but in a broad sense of millions of people’s opinions of 1 race, it certainly matters.
Which is why I said in today’s world. I care that the Irish were looked down upon. Does that justify in any way that Mexicans are now suffering the same date? Of course not.
I vote for the party that will most benefit both me and the US. Does that make things more simple? I suppose it does.
1-Conservative Judge (which he appointed)
2-Lower taxes which he is proposing.
3-Ending Obamacare
4-Cutting regulations on small business
Now, if you can show me where the democrat party will do the above things (and more) then I will vote for a democrat.
I don’t vote like many (perhaps you, I don’t know you) for the cult of personality. That is how we got 8 years of the worst US President in modern times.
One more point, show me where a major state or city has had long-term democrat rule and is doing exceptionally well…
Chicago? No
NY City? No
Philly? No
Boston? No
LA? No
How about states?
New York? No
California? No
Okay enough…vote for whomever you like. I will continue to vote for a political philosophy over the charisma of a single candidate.
You mean Trump chose to speak the truth. And in doing so he rallied a sector of the country that did not feel, up to that point, that they were being well represented. That is called politics and Trump played the game very well.
By saying it’s a rite of passage it sounds like you think they DESERVE it. Who cares what other nationalities had to go through? Does that mean it’s right for Mexicans to endure it? Does something become acceptable just because other people had to do it first? Why can’t we fight as hard as possible to keep injustice to a minimum?
Serious question about the Mexican border and immigration.
What is the current position of people in the center left? I keep hearing about sanctuary cities. There is a movement to make California a sanctuary state. Do Dems still want to enforce immigration laws?
I know EyeDentist suggested I get new friends, so at the risk of being given that same advice, a Dem friend put this on his FB feed last week. What do you think this means? He no longer believes in enforcing national borders? This is someone who supports the ACA, so not a libertarian here.
I don’t believe that a person’s pursuit of happiness or success in life should be limited by the side of an imaginary, man-made line on a map they were born–especially since no person has any control over where they are born. I also do not understand how people who think otherwise sleep at night.
I personally don’t agree with sanctuary cities, but I’d like that to change via legislation, not through the threat of withholding federal or state funds. The collateral damage of that is too high for me.
I think we just have different views here. I see it as a crucible that burns out the junk. You see it as an injustice.
If they want to be accepted on their own merit- You gotta burn out the junk.
Granted, I’ve laughed my ass off watching one Dominican tell another that his welding sucked ass and that he needs to go back up the mountain to pick yams.
I’m not left at all. The “I dont understand how you sleep at night.” Is the snowflake nonsense I vented about. My BP goes up reading that uninformed self righteous nonsense.
Anyway that position is untenable.
Nations have borders. All nations, for all time. Humanity needs nations, we haven’t found a way to exist without them yet. Enforcing borders isn’t mean. I’m sorry Mexico sucks, perhaps they could try and make it better? For legal migrant workers who follow the rules all I have to say is “bienvenidos!”. For illegal miscriants who flout our laws: “cuidado”.
Would you still hold your position that Mexicans get to suffer if the wall came with a clause that any children under the age of 5 that attempt to breach the wall will be executed? Of fucking course not. Because that amount of collateral damage would be too high for you.
Now that’s obviously an over the top exaggeration, but the point is EVERYONE has a line. Everyone has a limit. Your limit is simply higher than mine
I believe in strong borders. I believe illegal immigrants who’ve committed a felony in the US should be deported. I do not, however, believe building a $15 - $20B (probably more) wall is anything more than a boondoggle. I am also against rounding up all illegals and deporting them. Our immigration policies need to be improved/streamlined overall to give people the opportunity to immigrate legally into this country.
I can accept that, because in the example you gave, I’d let the kid through and shoot the parent. Because that parent is a piece of shit, and that kid has some astounding balls.
