I am saying politics is a battlefield of perception–facts are facts, but they are sometimes not as important as how people perceive what they see and read.
Its well known that many of the conservatives on this board were against Trump, including me. However one cannot assign motives to vast swathes of the electorate (ala ED’s comment about PP’s cousin rationalizing his choice so he could sleep at night). One cannot say: “everyone sees what I see in this campaign, or you’re _____”.
Politics is by nature subjective. When Obama ran I saw a radically left platform that was going to be terrible for us. Many other people saw optimism and moderate policy direction. It would be equally absurd for me to tell people–you can’t believe he’s moderate, you’re rationalizing so you can sleep.
This actually has little to do with Trump, who did an entire reality TV campaign.
So my position is not that Trump is in any way qualified, or that he didn’t say terrible things.
Again though, politics is by its nature subjective. I certainly do not agree with your assessment of the left and I am pretty well read and informed. This would then lead me to believe that because I consider myself reasonable and informed and disagree, so there must be others as well.
One must also say that distinctly left leaning media putlets have not helped the perception you are speaking of. I could say the same thing about the Right not abandoning the center, and you would rebut in similar terms based on what you percieve of right of center media and the party (ignoring Trump)
Agree. They’re not coming back and we need to get move forward. However I think Trump actually drank his own kool-aid.
Extremely. Trying to build a business and maintain research in some capacity. I’m not hanging around as much because I can’t afford to (in the lab there is a LOT of down time while analyses run or while cultures and experiements have to incubate. Very much “hurry-up-and-wait”).
I think in the short term manufacturing could conceivably come back for a few years. However there is an impending rift coming in terms of the economy shifting shape again, and I just am not sure that we can build up anything like our pre 1980s manufacturing base in percentage of economy.
@Aragorn, I do not know for whom you voted (and am not asking). But I assume you know people who, like yourself, were fully aware of the reprehensible, vilifying aspects of Trump’s campaign, but voted for him anyway. Maybe they did so because they considered HRC even less qualified to be POTUS; maybe they did so because they are one-issue voters (be that one issue economics, abortion, what have you). But for whatever reason, they voted for Trump despite the fact that he (as you put it) said “terrible things.” My question to you: In light of the reprehensible aspects of his campaign, do you think their vote for Trump makes them reprehensible themselves?
The difference being, HRC and Bernie were punching up, whereas Trump was punching down.
Calling those instances “racist” is just fucking silly…think a little harder about each specific situation. Just because a brown person is being questioned or attacked doesnt make the person doing the attacking/questioning racist. I know you and others would like to think so, but thats a basic example of lazy thinking.
I worked at a radioshack and qe rejected a black ladies attempt to pay with a check cause the policy was “no checks”…of course she called us a racist on her way out. She couldn’t think of the mechanics of the situation…just that we were a bunch of racists.
Quit focusing on race and then things will stop seeming so racist all the time. The first person to mention race is the racist.
In fact, you will find that this community saves up its most intense burning hatred for the lazy (of every size, shape and color). Able bodied people that refuse to work are social pariahs. We have the fake SSI disability people that are 25 and walk with a cane (it only touches the ground every 5th step). Everyone knows who the game players are. You might as well be a leper if you don’t want to work.
They hold sphagetti dinners, poker runs and fish frys to raise money for the injured and the less fortunate. They always have to run out and get more food because the turn out is huge.
Your self-perceived generosity of helping people escape shit holes works to keep other countries impoverished by siphoning off the most intelligent people.
Example:
Average IQ of an Indian in India 82 (probably should be a bit higher when you factor in malnutrition)
Isn’t assuming a Mexican judge isn’t able to be objective due to being Mexican the definition of racism? When you make an assumption about someone due to their race?
Not saying all “racism” isn’t correct (ie it’s not racist to say black people get high blood pressure, it’s statistics) but I don’t feel like the judge comment falls into that category.
I don’t think you realize where I was going with that. My point was/is, such a vote does not make those individuals reprehensible. Part of what seems to be going on in this thread is, some individuals who voted for Trump feel like they have to push back on the notion that his campaign trafficked in prejudice, because if they don’t, it implies that they are prejudiced. That’s not the case.
Pretty ugly graph eh? If the highest the number ever was was 19M and we’re sitting at 12M… there are a few paths we can take.
The current course where we don’t do anything about it. Hope people can find outlets in non-manufacturing work.
Try to deregulate, lower taxes and allow repatriation of funds for investment. Basically bribe employers to bring factories back. (Trump)
Chinese Method 1: Make state run industries and subsidize them so that unemployment nears zero. Make everything inefficiently with no robots to keep number of jobs high.
Chinese Method 2: Kill the 7 million workers so unemployment nears zero. Disapeer anyone that mentions it.
While what Trump is doing won’t bring those 7 million jobs back he’s acknowledging the problem and taking steps towards increasing manufacturing employment. What other segment can take up those uneducated workers?
