Guess I’m missing your point about the non-combat roles. I"m just saying, or I could just stay in the private sector.
The hope being, that by enlisting, is the military is better off than when it didn’t have you (otherwise people that enlisted would be dicks, amirite).
Also, this isn’t funding FEMA. Military actions are a choice. Sometimes binary options, sometimes on a scale. To choose to risk other people’s lives for a cause they may not agree with is a decision that shouldn’t be made unless the decider genuinely feels that it is worth sacrificing their lives with absolute certainty.
I call bullshit on anyone (save those not eligible) that claims they feel that way while not willing to enlist to find some way to actually support them. I’m sure they appreciate the $40 people contribute to the defense budget though. That’s about the same
Good thing I am ineligible. And by the way, I actually tried to get a medical waiver. Not out of some die for my country/formation of a citizen stuff… Because I was a poor young man from a poor broken home who couldn’t afford a pot to piss in. Still, I wouldn’t want to try to join the Seals. Yet, I support the people who did sacrifice to get Osama (Including Obama’s decision [did he serve?] to give it the green light)…
I mostly said it irt yourcomment that you wouldn’t have enlisted even if you could have.
The military appreciates your $40 a year and how you stand for the anthem.
I also support Obama’s decision to actually get Osama and then pull back troops (that other people voted to send there) when it was agreed upon. He’s openly been against war for decades that I’m aware of, but I’m not sure about his younger years.
I don’t believe so. But as a man who didn’t support, encourage, or want war, I wouldn’t expect him to feel obliged to.
But he has ordered the use of troops.
And is the CIC
Smart imperial powers run imperial wars the smart way.
- Make sure all of your troops are professional servicemen
- Leave the murdering/dying on the ground to a semi-competent local ally. They usually have an axe to grind against their foes and your citizens do not care some of them are coming to their homes in body bags.
The problem with recent US wars in the ME is the lack of a trustworthy local ally that’s willing to do the murdering and dying. Kurds were more that willing to do both but throwing US weight behind the 100% would mean that neo-Ottoman Turks and Saudis will throw a tantrum.
Turks were usually extremely dependable footsoldiers for murdeing and dying, but the Islamist fantasies of Erdogan means that they’re following their own agenda.
And the Saudis and UAEs are pretty much only good for buying absurd amounts of US military hardware - they’re practically useless on the ground as the Yemen intervention has shown.
Absolutely. After a country is already at war I would wholeheartedly expect ANY leader to then follow that through until such a time that the Democracy has decided they’re done. I also highly doubt Obama, or any President really, made any use of ‘troops ordering’ without relying almost exclusively on the knowledge of other more learned men/women.
And at the time when it had been agreed upon to pull back troops, he pulled back troops and began lowering our presence. Hell even Trump isn’t just willy nilly throwing soldiers around, and that guy makes every decision with his dick.
But he never served. I guess you could say Obama would’ve been first in line to sign up, but I don’t have to believe that. He didn’t seem to feel he was disqualified from taking the CIC role, having not served.
I guess how I am confused as to how it better that he continued to deploy troops into theaters of war he didn’t support? Should have pulled them out.
Why would someone who doesn’t agree with a war sign up to join said war?
Couple things. 1. Taking the CiC role IS serving. It’s leading the military. Commander in Chief. Do you think a CEO isn’t a member of his own company? 2. Why would a man opposed to war feel the need of having experienced war as a pre requisite
Once war is is already underway, why would it make sense to not reinforce when needed? Your job is (you’re already at war) to get the job done with as few men and women lost as possible.
He did. When it was agreed upon to do so. You must have missed it
He supported Afghanistan.
No, if you don’t support people dieing over there, you pull them out, period.
Otherwise, you now support people dieing for a date in a war you don’t support…And he never served.
Proof?
Guess even Obama can’t survive actually following a schedule.
Anyway, I enjoy how it always devolves to whataboutism, despite having been openly against many of Obama’s war policies, as soon as people realize they just have to live on the moral low ground with this one
Bill gates never worked at Microsoft.
It was a crucial turning point in the evolution of Barack Obama. The antiwar candidate of 2008 who had pledged to turn around Afghanistan — the “good war” to George W. Bush’s “bad war” in Iraq — had conceded that the longest military operation in American history would not end on his watch. The optimistic president who once thought Afghanistan was winnable had, through bitter experience, become the commander in chief of a forever war.
Mr. Obama was a state senator from Illinois in October 2002 when he famously condemned Iraq as a “dumb war.” But in the same speech he also said, “I don’t oppose all wars.” He was referring to Afghanistan, which he viewed as a just war to hunt down the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Oh, come on. Ok, then I’d serve too.
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I’m sure the medical condition doesn’t make you ineligible for that one. I’ll vote for you 
Actually, it might. It must, I would think. Especially these days
Edit: Oh geeze, lol. Do both of us a favor and vote for the other person…
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In 2011-12? I was already too old for the military. Volunteering wouldn’t have been an issue, I am just past my freshness date. It’s not that I would be killed, it’s that I would likely get others killed which is no bueno.