I never said he didn’t … What I said was, us. we, they, whoever, sitting around talking about it makes us just as bad as he who we ridicule does it not?[/quote]
We are talking about it because he is fixating obsessively on it to the point that he ordered his sweaty henchman to debase himself by telling a useless, obvious lie during his first press conference as press secretary (and not just any lie, but rather the kind that can be debunked by simply holding up a picture). This is our business because Trump is our public servant and representative to the world, and we are all of us affected by and implicated in his conduct.
Furthermore, he is the president. There are lots of things the rest of us – not presidents – can say and do that he can’t. The failure of the principle that presidents ought to be held to a higher intellectual and behavioral standard than that to which we might hold a vagrant masturbating with a banana peel behind a Walmart is what got us here in the first place. If you disagree with this, imagine Obama or Romney making a menstruation joke about a debate moderator in 2012. You can’t.
I don’t follow. POTUS acts like a reality-tv-obsessed tween (including in front of the Memorial Wall at the CIA). I say POTUS is a pitiable idiot for humiliating himself & the US in this way. The problem is at step one, not step two. Step two is correct.
lololol. I see. I think it’s the nature of social media. The pendelum has simply swung in the opposite direction where it’s Liberals complaining vs Conservatives at this point in time.
The article you posted discussed the reality of it. Perhaps it’s not as much as Trump claims, but if that writer is correct then it’s far more than there should be. Assuming it’s probably not in the best interest of the Republicans to not look at absentee voting it’s definitely not in the Democrat’s interest to look at illegals voting. It’s happening, but there is no appetite to check.
The fact is we don’t know unless it’s seriously researched and that would involve confirming citizenship.
There is a large chunk of the population who roll our eyes at the whining and protesting. The thing that surprises me though is how many of my well off, and well educated, 40 something friends are harping about Trump on FB. I won’t engage for professional reasons, but they have no problems ranting about this or that. The comparisons to Hitler are my favorite. First, the press makes wild claims about a Russian conspiracy, and now the Democrats introduce a bill to take the nuclear codes from Trump? I think they’re honestly looking for violence because they’re crossing a line that shouldn’t be crossed. The danger isn’t Trump. The dictators will come from the left because the press sided with them long ago and they lack any ability to compromise.
You just summed up my frustration … shit even in social settings the echo chamber is implied to the point anything other than “you damn right” is seem as reason enough for ostracism. In most cases, I like most of the people I surround myself with. I find them to be insufferable lately though…
This is a very, very confused summary of what’s going on with respect to Trump and Russia. Or are you under the impression that the FBI-CIA-NSA & co. task force that got a FISA warrant to investigate Trump campaign collusion with Russian spies were relying on “wild claims” in the press?
It pretty much sums it up. I’m happy to go into detail and speculation if you need, but I assume you can read the WSJ in addition to CNN. Further, I mentioned it briefly in a single sentence. If you find that confusing then try harder.
One former officer created a dossier and there is no hard evidence of any of it. The press went wild.
You have evidence?
The briefing was to warn Obama and Trump of the claims. That was evident even in the initial reports but burried under the headlines.
Of course the democrats don’t want to think that anyone voted illegally. After all they are vehemently against voter identification. That should tell us all where the dems stand. They apparently want people to vote illegally, or to vote twice. That’s how they stole the election from Richard Nixon in 1960, which is an historical fact. And one can only imagine how many other times that close elections were decided by criminals. Ford/ Carter (1976) was also very close…who knows?
Would Trump have won the popular vote if there were voter ID laws in place? I have no idea. But I would certainly bet that there was some illegal votes cast for Hillary.
Like I said: a very confused summary of the matter. It doesn’t even really appear that you’ve been following this at all. The full story has been dealt with various times on this board, but for a taste you can start here…
…and, noting Paul Wood’s stellar reputation, move on to this…
…and then ask yourself what impression you get from the remarkable minute following the 5:25 mark in this interview…
Which article is that? I don’t recall posting an article to that effect.
To the contrary–the GOP has had a group of lawyers dedicated to uncovering in-person voter fraud around the country. (They have come up empty-handed.)
What you’re glossing over is the fact that there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. Thus, there is no reason to commence such a massively expensive undertaking.
Don’t you think its worth some money and effort to get more information about the issue? At least a reasonable investigation to see if more is needed. All I see on this issue is one side making a claim that has some legitimate basis even if they are exaggerating it a bit and the other side is countering by saying “There’s no proof or evidence and it would cost taxpayer money to get evidence so we shouldn’t do that either, also most illegals are Mexican so your claims are racist”.
Even if providing more information on this is infeasible would it really be so bad to implement some type of solution to the problem anyway, like a better way of registering voters that proves they are citizens? If a solution to a non-problem costs less money that finding facts then its an acceptable alternative, it would resolve the issue so we can move on to other stuff.
The only ‘issue’ here is that of a POTUS unwilling to accept the fact that he lost the popular vote. No, I do not think that is worth the time and/or money.
I tell you what–find me a state-level election official (because they’re the ones who run the election) who concedes that the election in his/her state was likely compromised by illegal voting, and then we’ll talk.
There is zero basis for a claim of widespread illegal voting.
Pure strawman.
I must not understand you here, because it sounds like you’re suggesting we implement a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
No: a hell of a lot more than speculation. But how would you know? As of my writing this reply, the second article to which I linked has not been clicked a single time. We know from your initial failure to grasp even the most basic facts of this matter (including your failure to understand that the IC investigation and FISA warrant were incited by facts gathered by the intelligence community itself & intelligence-sharing among our European IC partners, not the Steele memo) that you haven’t encountered this reporting prior to right now. So I guess we’ll chalk this up to you don’t care whether or not you have any idea about what’s going on.
