Ya, it seems pretty far fetched that 20%-25% of the illegals here voted illegally.
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What exactly would they be risking? We barely enforce immigration plolicy at the federal level, virtually no voter checks or enforcement of voting laws, and there are many sanctuary cities. My guess is that’s changing.
If you don’t like immigration laws then work for a compromise to change them. This flat out refusal to enforce laws that have been passed when they are not i violation of the constitution only serves to undermine our democracy. We are a single nation, and while there are different interests and beliefs, it will only continue to work if we agree to both win and lose points. As I’ve said several times before, the envelope is being pushed hard by progressives and they’re engaging in a level of violence and rhetoric that may very well lead to increasing violence.
It is what it is. Trump won. If you all want a revolution over it then be my guest.
Not a safe space in general, just a safe space for him.
He can’t get over the inauguration crown size and is calling for the media to “stop demeaning” his inauguration.
That’s a line straight out of a debate club meeting for liberal arts’ students.
I’m saying one can’t ‘prove’ the assertion ‘illegals did not vote in the election.’
You want to approach this from the opposite direction, by proving that everyone who voted is ‘legal’? Sure. Given the absence of evidence of widespread voter fraud, it’s utterly insane, and an asinine way to squander taxpayer monies. But if you think assuaging a narcissist’s rage is worth it, then go for it.
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Obama deported 2.5 million people from 2009-2015 but it’s barely enforced?
No enforcement of voter laws either? You have to end up registered on a voter roll to begin with. But your assertion there is no enforcement of voter laws…where does that come from?
No, Trump has not declared such (not yet anyway), but my point is…isn’t Trump engaging in the same stuff as whiney Facebook liberals?
Heh. Of course.
The simple fact is, there’s no evidence of widespread in-person voter fraud (the only type affected by voter-ID laws) in this country. None. The Republicans have been scouring the country looking for it for years, and have come up with bupkis. They have admitted as much in open court. And as the courts have confirmed, this is nothing but a ploy to disenfranchise Dem voters. The GOP isn’t stupid–they know full well they’re losing the demographics battle. Thus, they want to keep those of unfavorable demographics from voting for as long as they possibly can.
On the other hand, we do have a modest problem with absentee-ballot fraud in this country, but for some reason, the GOP has shown zero interest in addressing it. Could it be because the absentee voters in question tend to vote Republican?
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Hmm, so calling out bullshit as bullshit is a safe space then? Look, I think he shouldn’t have wasted his time or the time of anyone on his staff regarding this non-sense; however, the say that bullshit you just said where he needs a safe space is ridiculous.
I think we both (all) agree Trump is a moron for furthering this non issue, but the level to which he is/has responded is where the disconnect lies. To me, it seems, his detractors like to exaggerate his reactions by saying that non-sense you just said (safe space for him).
Yes. He is. But I don’t see Trump reference it ad nauseum like it’s the end all be all of his administration to this point.
It seems to me he and his staff addressed it and moved on. Yet here we are, still talking about it as if he has egg on his face that he refuses to wash off (he doesn’t). I also think the y’all are taking it over the top with regards to his (ridiculous) response…
I’m not defending him, but pointing out the other sides absolutely ridiculousness with even making it or thinking it is news worthy. It’s not.
What about all those tweets bitching about a TV show (SNL) over a period of six months?
Except the fact that he’s obsessed with it, won’t let the issue drop, contradicts all available data as well as visual evidence and singularly hasn’t moved on, as this article (and Trump’s embedded tweet) will show.
@polo77j I mean, Trump brings a lot of this upon himself:
“You’re now president of the United States,” Muir said. "When you say it’s — "
Trump cut in.
“Well of course, and I want the voting process to be legitimate,” he said.
“What I’m asking,” Muir responded. “When you say in your opinion, millions of illegal votes — that is something that is extremely fundamental to our functioning democracy, a fair and free election.”
“Sure,” Trump replied.
“You say you’re going to launch an investigation,” Muir continued.
“Sure,” Trump repeated. “Done.”
Muir then said the basis of Trump’s false assertions had been “debunked” and was “false.”
“What you have presented so far has been debunked,” Muir said. "It’s been called false — "
“Take a look at the Pew reports,” Trump said.
“I called the author of the Pew report last night and he told me that they found no evidence of voter fraud,” Muir said.
“Really?” Trump asked. “Then why did he write the report?”
“He said no evidence of voter fraud,” Muir repeated.
“Excuse me — then why did he write the report?” Trump asked.
He continued: “According to Pew report, then he’s — then he’s groveling again. You know, I always talk about the reporters — they grovel when they want to write something that you want to hear, but not necessarily millions of people want hear or have to hear.”
The study that Trump was mentioning, which he repeatedly referred to late during the campaign, said 24 million voter registrations were no longer valid or were significantly inaccurate, more than 1.8 million dead people were listed as voters, and about 2.8 million people were registered in more than one state. The report, from 2012, did not claim that those people voted illegally in an election, as it was written as an argument for modernizing the US voting system.
The investigation is set to be ordered as soon as tomorrow, per Time.
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I never said he didn’t … What I said was, us. we, they, whoever, sitting around talking about it makes us just as bad as he who we ridicule does it not?
Us making fun of him for sounding like a 12 year old girl (not my words) makes us just as bad as 12 year old girls is my point.
I suppose that’s fair. Don’t tread on me @polo77j 
haha … goddamn trollfrace
It’s called fighting back against the media narrative
On one hand, you don’t want the media to be petty and continously say “his claims are false,” but on the other hand, if you begin to allow the trump administration to shape their own disinformation narriative…it will only progress into larger falsehoods.
I’m reading Cialdini’s “Persuasion” right now, and you can see their administration understands the concept of “Consistency” as a persuasive technique. If they get us to ignore the lie about crowd size, we’ll ignore the next, even larger lie they tell…because it’s not a “lie” if we ignore it and never label it such. He is already pushing the narrative that the media is biased against him and can’t be trusted. Basically, that will pit him and his administration as the sole source of “reliable information” that are actually just Alternative Facts
RIP truth and facts 2017 if that happens.
Posted again for good measure.
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And Raj is 100% here for it. Please indoctrinate us into your Alternative Factdom oh great and powerful leader.
His claim of illegal votes is probably true.
I posted a study that concluded 1.2 million illegal votes were cast in the 2008 election. Based on the focus of illegal immigration it wouldn’t surprise me if that number exploded this election
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