We aren’t talking about humans. We are talking about a God that you are less than a flea in comparison to. Further, I am not playing games. I have always said that any action God takes is good, as moral good doesn’t exist otherwise. I don’t mince words. Eternal damnation or the ending of the entire universe.
Sure we are. Is it not humans who die and get entrance into heaven? Is it not humans who die and get tortured for eternity in hell? Is it not humans who can’t agree on the rules to please him?
I’m not even saying him not being all good is a bad thing. Just that an all good being wouldn’t let people he made get tortured for eternity.
This is what I am referring to. We aren’t talking about a human.
That’s simply a subjective opinion. There is no good or bad to objectively judge a God as good or bad.
You’d first have to posit the independent existence of things we simply can’t falsify, good and evil. But that requires that yucky superstitious faith.
So you don’t feel ok judging what you think his actions are or will be. But you are ok with worshipping him? Do you consider him all good?
I do. Well, his actions are always good, as he defines good as the inescapable final and absolute authority.
Ok. In my opinion based on the dictionary definitions of good, evil, or giant asshole anyone who had the power to stop someone from being tortured for eternity and does not do it is not good, is evil, and is a giant asshole.
They are even more those things if the reason they don’t do it is they created a set of rules that no one could understand and agree upon. And even more if they created these people knowing all of this would be the case and still let the eternal torture happen.
I’m not judging God’s actions. I’m judging what people think the makeup of that person is and the actions they believe they will end up taking. And that’s completely doable.
And I’m ok with disagreeing on all of that but yet again it interests and boggles me that people could be so far off.
I know. I don’t know how else to say it. Again, I hear your rejection and cursing of God loud and clear. I get it, you want nothing to do with what is–in what is merely your non-binding opinion–an evil asshole. Noted and understood. To me he is the the only source of what is truly good. Otherwise there is no such reality as good and evil in the first place.
Note that I’m not cursing God. God could exist in a ton of different ways I would never have an issue with.
I’m cursing the idea that if God exists under the ideas that are often attributed to him then I curse that. If he made us, made rules we can’t agree on, and then sends people to eternal pain and suffering then he deserves to be cursed to me. Cursed and certainly not thought of as good.
Though I don’t blame you for your difference here. Again crazy how people with so much in common (humans) can come to such wildly varying conclusions on such a studied/argued/old topic:
Then you do curse a God, if one exists, as we do live in such a world where we disagree.
Which I have no problem with anymore than I would curse a human who led to complete and total suffering of someone else.
Then yes, I’m aware of you opinion rejecting God as the final authority of what is good.
Yep, massive differences.
Yeah if you’re authority consists of torturing someone in a lake of fire then you’re no good under any definition I could understand. But if that isn’t something that will happen I can get on board with some stuff I bet.
But eternal torture for someone seems like a tad bit of government overreach since we are on pwi
My reply is from the Bible, not any wisdom l created.
Seek God with a sincere heart and he will be found.
Read your Bible, tell him you want to believe and need him to reveal himself.
Tell him you can’t deduce it, can’t see it, are side tracked by his followers’ shortcomings, but want to meet him for yourself. He’s a big God, he can take it.
Be open minded to lsaiah 55, Psalms 22, John 3, Hebrews 4
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People reject and choose not to be with God. Would it be better that He force people to?
Why not just reveal himself to everyone?
That’s so weak.
Maybe He’s just breaking you in slowly so that when He does, you’ll feel a bit less shame
You ask a silly question - you get a silly answer
Edit:
Maybe I’m being more mean to you than you deserve. Somewhat sorry if it seems that way to you
Does he not have the power to do so? I mean if you are going to send people to hell for not believing in you, it would seem reasonable to give them evidence of your existence.
The answer I gave functions just fine as far as I know
Sure, why not, hypothetically speaking
It would also make sense to do so in stages
But then, are you your final authority?
Understood.