Sloth
June 19, 2019, 5:56pm
924
Yes, because my opponents don’t restate their positions over and over. Have you taken them to task yet for repeating their position on a PWI forum? You do realize you don’t have to participate, right?
pfury
June 19, 2019, 5:57pm
925
It was a question. You don’t have to answer it.
Probably at some point, yeah. Especially if they were hilariously blatantly wrong about what they were saying.
Sloth
June 19, 2019, 5:58pm
926
pfury:
Or they’re left deciding what they believe is moral on their own? That doesn’t require faith at all?
Or hell, they’re using any number of other criteria that isn’t god to determine right and
Using what? Empiricism is absent. We agree subjective FEELINGS doesn’t make it true. So, using what to continue to BELIEVE?
Sloth
June 19, 2019, 5:59pm
927
pfury:
It was a question. You don’t have to answer it.
Probably at some point, yeah. Especially if they were hilariously blatantly wrong about what they were saying.
Your bias, then.
Then you’re wrong about who is wrong. At least in this case.
pfury
June 19, 2019, 6:08pm
928
Sloth:
Using what?
Using whatever they want. Cause and effect, societal repercussions, internally defined morality, etc.
Sure it does. That’s just silly. All of religious morality is centered around how people feel about it.
Edit:
Sloth:
Your bias, then.
Absolutely. As are you. All decision making is centered around bias.
Sloth
June 19, 2019, 6:36pm
929
pfury:
Using whatever they want. Cause and effect, societal repercussions, internally defined morality, etc
So belief without proof. And what is that called?
pfury
June 19, 2019, 6:43pm
930
It’s called a disagreement.
Let’s remember, you don’t have any proof either. No religion does. That’s why the word faith even exists
Sloth
June 19, 2019, 6:44pm
931
What is belief without proof?
Sloth
June 19, 2019, 7:13pm
933
pfury:
Sloth:
belief without proof?
Ignorance
Would it not be faith? Belief without proof?
pfury
June 19, 2019, 7:34pm
934
Sloth:
Would it not be faith?
If it’s belief in a higher power? Sure. I’d call that faith.
If I was a flat earther, and I obviously didn’t have proof to back up my statement, would you say I have drawn a faith based conclusion, or an ignorant one?
Sloth
June 19, 2019, 7:42pm
935
I am simply asking if belief without proof is faith.
pfury
June 19, 2019, 7:44pm
937
Yeah I’m aware. The question hasn’t changed from the first time lol
Sloth:
Faith, by the way
What a weird way to classify flat earthers.
I guess if we need more ammo to distance ourselves from faith based decisions, at least we have that now.
Sloth
June 19, 2019, 7:46pm
940
No, I am asking you a yes or no on if belief without proof is faith.
No. People with faith believe they have proof.
Sloth
June 19, 2019, 7:51pm
943
2b firm belief in something for which there is no proof
The things you guys try to avoid conceding. Tsk.