No, pro-life. It really highlights that abortion is the premeditated killing of an innocent human life.
Shitty life? I’d rather let would be abortion victims determine the value of their own life. Even the poor often find joy in life.
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Well I hope so because these states are the most determined to keep people that way.
But damn I told myself I wasn’t getting involved in one of these threads again. Gotta bounce for now have a good one Sloth!
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This is a bit of a tangent and bit lengthy but check this pic out!
https://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic1901a/zoomable/
This is a picture from a telescope of 1/10 millionth of the observable sky. The sky that we see when we look up at night. 1/10 millionth! Each speck of light is a galaxy. Each galaxy is estimated to contain millions to billions of stars. That is a billion possibilities in each speck of light for a solar system like ours that might have a planet with life. And that is only 1/10 millionth of the observable sky.
If that doesn’t give you goose bumps I don’t know what will.
The closest star to our galaxy is Proxima Centauri. It is 4.24 light years away. It would take 4.24 years to get there if we could travel the speed of light which is 671 000 000 mph. The fastest speed ever attained by a man made space ship is 150,000 mph. It would take 19,000 years to travel the 4.24 light years to get to Proxima Centauri traveling at that speed.
The next closest galaxy is the Andromeda galaxy, 2.53 million light years away. Traveling at the fastest speed we have been able to reach,150,000 mph, it would take 11.33 billion years to reach the Andromeda galaxy. 11.33 billion just to reach the closest galaxy!
See how many galaxies are in that picture. I guess it doesn’t matter. Even if there are millions of planets out there with life we are still ultimately all alone. On this pretty blue rock we call home.
When I look at pictures like that and think about the vastness of our universe it stirs something inside of me. It is a strange feeling. A mix of wonder and sadness. Maybe even a bit spiritual perhaps. Regardless it certainly puts things in perspective.
There are solid arguments on both sides of the abortion issue. But think of it this way. After having thought about how large our universe is and that maybe our little rock is the only one with life on it. However improbable that may be. That would make life one the rarest things in the universe. I find it a bit ironic that people would willingly destroy that.
I also don’t want to live in world where people don’t believe that the innocence of the unborn takes precedence over any inconvenience a standard pregnancy may present (fully aware that there are risks with pregnancy. Its 2019 it is a significantly safer undertaking than it was 100 years ago) When I see a child, it is instinctual for me to do whatever I can to protect them from harm. Even children that I’ve only just met. I cannot even begin to fathom what sort of disconnect must exist for someone to not have that connection.
Of course you can ask if allowing children to be born that cannot be properly cared for cause more suffering. I would rather hear that argument than see a bunch of people screaming “its my body and you can’t tell me what to do with it”. Try and sound like you give a fuck about people and not just yourself and I would be more inclined to listen intently.
I don’t know we are all fucked in the end anyways. Jordan Peterson spoke some great words regarding what it said about society when he commented on the joyous celebration of women (and many men I would imagine) when some country in Europe finally legalized abortion. I wish I could find the clip for you all. Anyways I will bow out now. I am sure most of you didn’t read this far and I suspect a few you who’ve posted might not be capable for reading continuously for long enough to get this far.
I am with you all the way down to the last sentence. I don’t agree, but it’s small potatoes. We agree on a lot.
The problem is two can play the name game. We can call ‘pro-choice’, ‘pro-death’ instead and it would be equally appropriate.
That not withstanding, I agree that going pro-life is much more than stopping abortion. It’s preventative care, pregnancy care, education, all that stuff. And a lot of that stuff is stuff we can be doing now. And there are those doing it, but not near enough.
And no, I do not think economic factors matter when it comes to life.
If you are looking at it from the prospective that human life is sacrosanct and cannot be taken barring a threat to other human life, then quite literally nothing else matters in comparison.
From another point of view, most people are born in to a fucked up situation of some kind of someone else’s making. It’s a hard thing to put a line on, to say ‘x level of fucked-upness, is the level at which an abortion would be prudent.’
Is the premeditated killing of innocent life that isn’t human OK? I mean, as far as nature is concerned, if it were capable of concern, a fetus is no more precious than a bacterium.
A perspective that almost no one has, including you.
That explains the lack of drug dealers, churches, and liquor stores.
I read it, but I don’t see how the vastness of the universe factors in. This is the little blue rock on which we live and we have to make it as good as possible. The tension between liberty and safety is what keeps us planted and engaged.
There are those who manage not to give one flying fuck about anything and for them, more power to them. I am not wired that way and I would guess most people aren’t. Being one little blue pebble in a seemly unending universe not withstanding, these things still matter. Maybe not to Proxima Centauri, but we are here not there. And from what I heard that solar system does not have inhabitable planets anyway at least not right now.
Well, we need to destroy life in order to eat. And god hasn’t had many problems destroying life.
Not trying to start a complete socialized medicine debate but what about 100% of health care costs related to pregnancy being paid for?
I’m pretty curious how many of the pro-life people might change their tune in these states if someone said ok we’re going to drastically increase funding for foster care, adoption services, prenatal education, etc all of which could help the issues when we are talking about introducing young lives with people who can’t afford to give them a good start at life.
Or would we just get the taxes enough already don’t have a kid if you’re not ready type rhetoric? Because they will fight for the right to life but fight just as hard against health care.
All the stuff that sounds great in theory but completely ignores reality. Take it from someone who has spent the last 11 years working with kids in schools that have huge poverty issues it will break your heart to see some of these situations. 2 years ago my wife had to dig bugs out of the ear of a 6 year old. We can do better than just say “well that mom clearly wasn’t ready!”
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Does Alabamastan even teach sex ed?
Not required in AL and schools are supposed to push abstinence only.
Who was that politician that recently said keep an aspirin in your knees or something?
Working well they are killing it in teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections. More important things to worry about like making sure a 12 year old raped by her uncle has the baby.
Saw this in a quick google search about sexual education in Alabama.
“Okarmus said she has heard many stories of schools using crude examples to enforce abstinence in teens. Those who had sex before marriage were illustrated as chewed gum or a glass of murky water. In one class, Okarmus said students were asked to pick petals off a rose as it was passed around class. The picked-apart rose was supposed to represent a “used” person, she said.
“Telling these students that they are ‘damaged’ to their future spouse is so harmful to their mental and emotional health,” Okarmus said.“
the current sex education law still requires educators to say that homosexuality “is not a lifestyle acceptable to the general public and that homosexual conduct is a criminal offense under the laws of the state.”
Some of that compassionate conservatism coming out. LGBT suicidal hotline calls are highest in the south and LGBT suicide rates are higher than others. Not hard to see why when you say things like that.
Pro straight life? How many there would support abortion if they knew the kid would grow up gay?
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So? Why does this matter at all? LGBT lives are valueless, just like all lives.
Without God, I see no reason to believe otherwise.
Well if that’s the case for you then be like Journey and don’t stop believing my friend.
The reason why I pointed that out was obvious from my post. You don’t think the educational system telling them those things contributes? It just doesn’t sound pro life to me.
It was for perspective. It was one of the ways in which I came to be “pro-life”. Thought it might be appreciated here as well. Perhaps not.
This is the most important part of what I wrote though:
Which god is that? I am not a religious person. I am not even using the Bible to support a pro-life position.
Without God you’d be a communist. Interesting.
What?
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You gotta love the dumb poor savage Alabaman thing going on here. Managed to beat those who look down on them to a noble moral stand. Hurray for those educated who’ve accumulated more material wealth, I suppose. Those proressive moderns deliberately sacrificing 600k+ human lives per year to maintain their feeling of security (read through the use of crime and economics as pro-abortion arguments). Those savage Alabamans.