The fetus is already a separate individual organism, not a DNA sample. This isn’t me speculating.
The organism is human. Still not speculating.
It is not assaulting the mother. Innocent.
If it’s separate then why can’t it just leave the womb on its own and avoid getting aborted?
It is an individual organism regardless of its dependence on the mother.
Organism does not mean it’s a person.
A person?
I am spitting objective facts, the embryo is already an individual (its own) living organism. What species from a human. No argument. No debate.
Blameless of crime? Come on.
An innocent individual human life.
You are that same individual organism as the one that resided in the womb. That fetus was already a fitted link in the chain of an individual human life. One organism’s developmental life cycle.
It wasn’t a frog that got shazam’d into the zecarlo organism.
You aren’t denying that you are that organism, are you? Not really, right?
A man’s sperm cell is a living organism. It’s human. But it’s not murder to jerk off.
They can’t put you away for that can they?
Just asking for a friend.
It isn’t an individual human organism. It is a haploid gamete of a diploid human organism. You’re arguing with biology.
That the fetus is already in the developmental life cycle of an individual human life isn’t really up for argument.
But that is not the definition of a human being nor person. At what point can we say that inside a hen’s egg there is a chicken? When it’s laid?
I can flat out say that you are the life that was in the womb. You are that same singular organism. I can say that flat out.
I actually agree with you on an issue!
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Lol, cool man. Might happen again some day!
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When its fertilized, genius.
If you crack an egg and it has veins and feathers you cracked a chicken.
You can still eat it.
Really? So why so we say we make omelettes with eggs and not chickens? I have yet to see a recipe which says to beat two chickens or to use chicken whites.
An unfertilized egg is just an egg, a fertilized egg is a chicken.
Just look at the science.
The scientific consensus in embryology is that post conception, there is present a separate and distinct human being from the host\ mother. Science in forms my POV.
But that’s not really the issue here. This is a ‘get your popcorn’ and watch what happens in the next few years. My prediction is that abortion will not come out unrestricted. Even if Roe v. Wade stands, abortion will not survive in it’s current form.
Hard things to predict sometimes these wedge type issues. You can find plenty of threads on this site with people cheering and making predictions that gay marriage would never be legal including right up before it was.
When Pat Robertson* says your abortion law is too extreme you know you might have gone too far. The pure cruelty of forcing women who are raped is mind boggling to me. The idea that one would fight to have more children born on one hand and then vote time and time against making health care or education better because it costs them money is the same.
For the most part Pat certainly at the state level you’re going to continue to see this continue until further notice. What the end of what anything looks like on it federally is anybody’s guess and just a shot in the dark imo.
*. Although Robertson is a super slimy scammy dude himself he can’t hold a candle to Oral Roberts. Roberts told people God would call him home if they didn’t give him 8 million. I believe they ended up giving him 9. It was the ultimate I bet I can get these people to do anything if I say God move.
That is not the scientific consensus and you always make that mistake, or tell that lie.
Why is it an egg McMuffin and not a chicken McMuffin?
I don’t think you’re serious with any of this, but there is basically zero chance of your Egg McMuffin containing a fertilized egg/baby chicken.
I don’t think McDonald’s considered that. But do people who eat fertilized eggs say they had a chicken sunny side up for breakfast?
And Pat is wrong about science stating that a human being exists at conception.