I have one more question. How do you define “woke”. I suspect it means something like value liberal, fiscal leftism?
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Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then “ye shall be WOKE,” and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
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Hahah! Lol’d.
I’m happy with this.
This is something that irritates the hell out of me.
It started as a sincere thing back in the 1940’s against police brutality, then gained viral traction after Ferguson, and now has became a punchline and a political weapon through mainstream overexposure and ideological shifting and sarcastic internet meme lords.
It’s nonexistant in American leftist conversations, but rampant in right-wing circles that now use “woke” to describe what they view as performative activism, “cancel culture,” or forced diversity.
Which is kind of ironic, since it’s a prime example of cultural appropriation just by itself.
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So you don’t know how to borrow against your own capital and you’re a weird gooner.
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Most people can’t, but I can. And no, you are pretty far-off from what “woke” is. Social programs aren’t inherently woke, but they can be and they can certainly be captured by woke ideolouges. Public schools, public works, police, fire, and even a concept like universal healthcare aren’t inherently woke as long as they are applied equally to all citizens. Wanting to spend more on public schools than a Republican isn’t necessarily woke, either, but discussions like that get muddied up really fast when woke ideologues successfully capture an entire public institution like they have in Maine and other states like it.
In academic terms, “woke” encompasses the 21 social science theories I’ve posted upthread in a very handy excel spreadsheet, all of which are offshoots of Classical Marxism that employ both Marx’s Dialectical Materialism and, to a lesser extent, the Hegelian dialectic (which Marx borrowed from heavily) as their absurd basis of thinking about the world and formulating their rhetoric. These are the actual lines of academic thought that reject the liberal concepts of equal protection under the law and universal human rights to instead pursue social justice and/or “equity”, which requires that the government treat people unequally. They are all deeply illiberal ideas that place people into either an oppressor or a victim category, then purport to have a solution to these perceived problems (aka “inequities”). The solution is always giving the “marginalized” groups more political power due to their identity and, of course, extracting wealth from the public and flowing it to them through a variety of means. The theory of Intersectionality is what ties the other 20 social science theories together under one big woke tent. Classical Marxism was framed in class terms, with “workers” and “owners” being the victims and oppressors. Classical Marxism is actually making a comeback in the Democratic Party today, with Senate candidates like Graham Platner clobbering the much less woke Janet Mills in Maine’s senate primary by sticking to old-fashioned class warfare that used to be relegated to Bernie Sanders and a few others, but has always been somewhat of a driving force in the Democratic Party of the last 100 years.
Like all forms of socialism (including German National Socialism), “woke” Democratic Socialism (as explained by the DSA) seeks to “awaken” the collective consciousness of various identity groups (similar to how German National Socialism did with ethnic Germans). Broadly speaking, they believe that they can repair the world by uplifting the people labeled as “marginalized” to seize power from the oppressor groups, and then utopia will happen. This manifested in actual public policies like DEI, incorporating Queer Theory in public institutions and especially public education, mass migration, and subverting the voting systems to ensure “marginalized” groups can vote in our elections, even if they just got here 5 minutes ago.
This differs considerably from what was considered “liberal” prior to Obama, where unequal treatment under the law was mostly limited to Affirmative Action during my younger years. Most “liberals” agreed with enforcing immigration law, looked to Scandinavia as a model for social programs, didn’t believe men could become women, advocated for secular public institutions, and rejected communism and Marxism.
Woke is also a cult, as I believe all forms of revolutionary socialism are, although few socialists will consider themselves cult members. It encompasses a wide range of unfalsifiable beliefs about society, spirituality, the government, and wraps it all up in the language of love, light, inclusion, understanding, acceptance, and so on, while simultaneously functioning as a vast wealth extraction scam for cult insiders. It also has lots of weird sex stuff with kids, as evidenced by Letta Dicken reading books to young children in a public library 30 minutes away from me last week while the dude was dressed up like a hooker.
It’s also worth mentioning that the people who actually “drank the Kool-Aid” were hardcore communists who got love-bombed by Jim Jones and The People’s Temple. If you go back and listen to what Jim Jones was saying, it was extremely woke by today’s standards. In that regard, it is sort of like living under a theocracy run by The People’s Temple. The People’s Temple died in Jonestown when they drank poison at gunpoint at the direction of Jim Jones, but their core ideas live on through Unitarian Universalists and many of their religious beliefs are fully incorporated into the government here in Maine.
A simple way of understanding woke is just “identity politics”. That’s why guys like Nick Fuentes are called “woke right”. They also reject equal protection under the law and classical liberalism, along with universal rights for all US Citizens.
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Here’s the chart of woke social science theories. Broadly-speaking, these are the ideas that the Trump Administration and DOGE has sought to defund. In my opinion, they are all just communism evolved and localized to a Western audience. Trump isn’t making any of them illegal to teach or study, but he is working to cut off the flow of public money to institutions who espouse these ideas like universities and other 501(c)(3) organizations, aka NGO’s, nonprofits and charities, which are just different words for 501(c)(3) private corporate entities.
As a final note, in 2026 the word “woke” is similar to “pornography”. Most people know it when they see it, even if they can’t accurately describe the differences between art and pornography in a way that satisfies a social science professor who teaches Queer Theory. Like most political terms, “woke” can get just as muddied up as words like “fascism” and “socialism”.
@SepCalla He did a good job proving my point.
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I can’t explain what you or anyone else believes “woke” means today, but the chart I posted above is a pretty good representation of what “woke” means to the Trump Administration in somewhat objective terms. Obviously I’m not privy to insider knowledge of the Trump Administration, but the idea seems to be cutting off public funding for that general list of academic theories. All of which happen to be fundamentally subversive to the existing political and social order of things, exactly as Marx hoped for in The Communist Manifesto.
“Woke” is now and and always will be a political mush word.
Some of the best people I’ve known are poorly educated.
Trump is advancing the liberal position by cutting public funding to the above chart of bizarre cult beliefs that are all quite new, historically-speaking. As United States Citizens, we are all generally free to open up private woke schools and rake in the big bucks by prioritizing Social and Emotional Learning over academics, just like the Mills Administration did in Maine’s public schools. You could hire the leading Queer Theorists to teach the latest ideas about Queer Theory. We’re all still free to believe whatever we want, but we aren’t entitled to taxpayer money to sustain our religious beliefs.
I’m 1000% for that.
Can we do Christianity first?
Feel free to make the case.
I’m agreeing with you. You don’t get to pull that bullshit.
I apologize for encouraging you to further explain yourself.
It is my understanding that you publicly stated on an internet forum that you believe taxpayer money should not support a religion.
Christianity is a religion.
It is also my understanding that you didn’t like what I said and have no real ability to support your argument, so you resorted to the reversal of proof fallacy.
Can you explain how public money flows to Christian ideas in the same way it does to the list of ideas I posted above?
For just one example, Turning Point USA hasn’t received any taxpayer money, and they are probably the most notable conservative NGO I can think of. Who are the Christian Nationalist raking in big bucks with taxpayer money?