Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1)

The thing about Trump is he actually dosen’t accomplish much. That’s why it’s all “flood the zone with shit” and using executive orders instead of actual legislation. Most of his approach gets blocked by the courts or are so flimsy that the next president can easily reverse them.

Just for funsies.

This time, Congress is in Trump’s pocket. I doubt he will be as ineffective this term as he was in the last.

Check this article out.

If the United States Department of Education Dissolves, What Changes and Who is Impacted? - Social Studies

It looks like the Department of Education is primarily concerned with the disbursement of funds for higher education. The FAFSA might cease to exist if the DOE is abolished, meaning that we’ll have to take out private loans for college. There are some other potential consequences, but that one may be the most relevant to most people.

His executive actions are already MASSIVELY impactful. I’m not sure how you could ever conclude something like that.

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The Department of Education was formed on October 17, 1979.

If your career isn’t in the Department of Education, things will most likely be as it was before 1979.

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Per the linked article, the Dept. of Ed. oversees Pell Grants. Do those go away? That’s how a lot people pay for college.

I asked my question in regards to myself but I was just trying to say, “How will an average person be affected by this?”

It also provides funding for students with disabilities through IDEA. Can students with disabilities and their families expect changes to their education?

Education policy and oversight would shift entirely to the states. Funding for education (including special education under IDEA) would become the states’ responsibility. The federal government might still provide funding, in the form of block grants instead of direct program funding.

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Sorry. I know nothing about having education paid by the government apart from public education for elementary and high school.
I was only a student way before the Department of Education was formed and my mother had retired from teaching by 1972.

Ideally the money that the federal department of education oversees would just go directly to state departments of education. That way individual states can decide how best to handle education and the entire cost of the federal department of education is removed.

This is a matter of federal law. This is why doing away with a federal agency is not as easy as signing an executive order. Trump and Musk obviously have no idea what the DOE does, and why would they? It probably should not have been created but you just can’t shutter the doors and think you’ve solved a problem.

The problem is that federal law is involved so there will be federal oversight. States just can’t do what they want with regard to disabled students.

How exactly does that work? How does the money that the federal government has end up going back to the states? Some agency would have to deal with how funds are allotted and distributed.

Can’t they just give states more control? Responsibility could shift to another federal agency to ensure compliance. Federal IDEA funding only covers a small percentage, states already handle most of the cost.

I think public schools only receive 8-10% of their funding from the federal government. From browsing the internet, it doesn’t seem like a lot of K-12 teachers are too worried about losing the Dept. of Ed. It seems that this will likely affect colleges much more, and take away many people’s ability to afford college without excessive loans.

You’re asking the federal government? Politicians only favor states’ rights when it aligns with their party agenda.

An uneducated population is easier to control…

Can’t build up a class system of low wage workers propping up billionaires without control.

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Because even they don’t like it.

Sure, but the DOE is already being considered for removal. States already cover most of the funding, so giving them more control could allow for more solutions, as long as there’s still a way to ensure compliance with federal standards (with regard to IDEA).

That’s the impression I’ve gotten.

So if K-12 is not greatly affected (although I have concerns about students with disabilities), how does this change things for college students?

We still need engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc. Those require college educations.

And personally, I don’t mind people studying art or history or philosophy in college (“…the object of all true education is not to make men carpenters, it is to make carpenters men” - Du Bois) but I know most people act like if you’re not taking advanced math classes in college than you must be majoring in basket weaving (multiple posters have used this example and I can’t say that I’ve ever seen it offered at a school before).

Most students aren’t paying out of pocket it’s through loans, grants, or scholarships. The issue with Pell Grants is that these students still struggle with lower graduation rates, and when they do graduate, it is with useless degrees. They have just been made to believe that they have to go to college.

Most of them should not have gone to college.

50% go to 2-year colleges or unranked 4-year colleges, and over 50% never graduate.

I would be for Pell Grants if there was a required exam

If they have the luxury sure but, why should free money be used for a degree that is going to get them a shitty job. Students choose those degrees because they are “easy” not because of a passion for the subject.