Not sure if it’s authoritarian, maybe a little, but it’s populist renew movement.
Right yes, but authoritarian compared to the rest of the world? I doubt.
I like political square field analysis, and use them in my work regularly, but the problem with them is that they do change through time and space. Like you or Nomad don’t really fit in modern US political spectrum, not be somewhere near or beyond the edge. I would not propably be mainstream either.
And like I said earlier, I know a guy who thinks world should return to 1700 in many aspects. There’s some classical conservatism.
It would be much easier if people would state their core beliefs and values first. Then we would decide what to argue about. This concerns me too.
There’s no point arguing about values. I can’t say against this wish (or the other guys wish living in aristocracy).
Referring to our earlier discussions about women. I’m not saying your values are untrue (since there’s no true/untrue in values), but some factual claims you make to support your values are.
The right was often interested in debate with the left over the last 10+ years.
One of our biggest debators was just shot for doing that. And the left cheered for it.
We no longer want to debate with this subhuman species. We just want our country back, and we realize debate is not the tool to do this.
@LoRez One of the things that I’ve never come up with an explanation for is why we have so many woke policies in Maine but we don’t have the same wacky Antifa stuff in public, except for anonymous harassment campaigns against people like my barber after she made public comment at a school board meeting. Even our BLM marches were actually mostly peaceful with none of the craziness I saw in other cities. The worst I saw or heard about was a bunch of people demanding that the cops take a knee in Portland.
Listening to this guy, it sounds like all it really takes is a few organizers showing up to rile up everyone who’s just kinda hanging around town to get high all of the time. There’s certainly a level of ideology going on, but to hear this guy explain it, it’s mostly actual homeless bums. As America has learned, you don’t need to know anything about fascism to scream “fascism” and similar stuff.
If you get a chance, go check out the poop house sex party and let us know what you learn.
Yeah I mean it’s really not possible to exist in a right wing echo chamber and still participate in society. That’s what this whole thing has been about, shoving the ideas down everyone’s throats and calling anyone who disagrees bad names.
Left wing echo chambers absolutely exist. There’s a reason I only bothered to discuss politics here for most of my history of discussing politics. We could, for one, and actual smart people tend to participate.
I really wonder where all of the anonymous people who never participated in any of the lifting aspects of the site went. We had quite a few for a while, starting multiple Trump threads on a weekly basis.
Maybe they were state department employees who got DOGE’d.
Not to mention the things disagreed upon are massive. Kirk was a wake up call for a lot of people.
@SepCalla Sure, we don’t want an echo chamber and debate is productive. But certain things shouldn’t need to be debated. I think what @Andrewgen_Receptors is saying is there should be zero debate over things like the kirk assassination. Basic things like “don’t murder the innocent,” isn’t up for discussion anymore and never should have been.
Although not the meme’s intent, this is a good example of the kind of things an actual fascist dictator would be doing to businesses. Fascists love price controls and telling companies what products and services they can offer under threat of nationalization or other forms of state coercion.
It certainly does. This account created a meme that covers the idea. He’s been really interesting to follow and makes a pretty strong philosophical argument that “woke” is an esoteric religion at it’s core, tracing their “ways of knowing” back to the ancient Greeks.
He also disagrees with my assertion that woke ideology was fatally wounded last year, and the sentencing of Kavanaugh’s attempted assassin is evidence of how deeply rooted the idea of “marginalization” is.
Surely. A bit extreme example, but there’s not much to discuss about values with somebody who has profoundly different values than you.
If somebody thinks you are entitled to kill people whp disagree with them, what can you say? That’s why I tried to separate value based discussions about factual debates.
A significant number of Americans do, in fact, believe that political violence can be justified.
Most, but not all, just need someone to label the target an oppressor of marginalized people, and they will be quite satisfied when that person is killed.
Like my boy Yuri says on X,
“Again, they think they’re an elect, awakened to a spiritual drama of rupture, exile, & obligated repair, where trauma defines authenticity. The goal is for them to lead a collective consciousness to elevate the marginalized, sublate the oppressor, & then utopia happens.“
