Definitely a shift.
At this point there is no emotion - just cold affirmation of my path and what needs to be done.
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Thats what happens when I have late night coffee. 
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I couldn’t find anything to disagree with in this vid, but I think a liberal post-Jan. 6th would be able to (or did) say all the exact same things. And I wouldn’t be able to disagree with that, either.
I guess what I find heartbreaking is that only a few of us seem to blame the two parties equally for locking us into this ridiculous and impossible war so that they can continue to raid the coffers.
I’ve read that a cynic is just a disappointed idealist. I’m trying really hard not to get all the way to cynicism. It just keeps getting harder and harder.
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I don’t agree with this at all. Who was killed on Jan 6th besides a rioter / protestor?
I agree with this, but only one side is fomenting immorality and degradation while simultaneously calling the other side bigots, fascists, racists, etc.
I will do everything in my power to completely combat that and legally ruin anyone with these beliefs.
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Ive more or less decided to step away from commenting on these threads after this because I think this is really the crux of the matter.
None of the right wingers here will say that J6 was anything other than a guided tour, but Trump pardoning them turned up the heat to 11. IMAGINE if the next D president pardoned this guy.
Some of those people got convicted of Seditious Conspiracy…. Pardoned. What other message could that send except “Over throw the government for Trump and the Right, Totally cool.“
They will retreat to “oh yeah but who got SHOT!?” as if beating police officers with flag poles is okay? Okay, I thought we didnt like violence against police but you win that one I guess.
Again, no one here is going to acknowledge J6 so I’ll bring up another example.
Whether anyone on here on “the right” wants to admit it, there IS violence being done by “their side”, and celebrations of violence. Charlie Kirk himself said a “amazing patriot” and “midterm hero” would bail out the guy who attacked the Pelosis with a hammer.
Trump Jr sure thought attacking political figures was funny when it was her family as well.
How about when Trump says that the radical left live like Vermin in this country and need to be rooted out, totally cool. - Not violence itself but certainly dehumanizing rhetoric.
Was it those kinds of posts and that kind of rhetoric that lead the registered republican Trump voter to shoot and killed 2 politicians in Minnesota in june with a list of 70 more DemonRats?… Was that MY call to war? Was there ANYTHING like a similar outcry of whats happening now about Charlie Kirk back then by our resident “this means war” crew? Or was it more “oh wow , that’s sad, we dont condone violence”
In any event, as stated at the beginning, I’ve made the choice these last few days to step away from my active involvement in these threads for a variety of reasons (they are quite time and mental-energy consuming for starters, and I found myself thinking about them a lot even when with my family, which I dont feel is having a positive effect on my life)
So theres the likely final rantings and ravings of one of the resident libtards on here. I wish no one here ill will or violence upon them, we see things differently, I tried to present my opinions honestly and back them up with facts when I could and when I was wrong I tried to correct that.
Back to the lifting forums I go, or not, well see.
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All available evidence is suggesting that Kirk’s alleged killer was radicalized at college to be an “anti-fascist.” It’s too bad he didn’t learn what the fascists actually supported, otherwise he might have avoided people like antifa who act just like brownshirts, along with supporting most actual Nazi policies.
He also used a Mauser 98, with the “98” being the year the design went into production. 1898, not 1998. All of the people who suggest gun control would have prevented this just passively admitting that they want to ban all guns, including bolt action rifles designed over 125 years ago.
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Nope.
I hope you never believed anything else*.
*“all guns,” not including those they possess
You suck at stepping away
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Nobody ever said it’s good to storm the capitol, but that doesn’t mean I have to buy the ridiculous insurrection narrative or believe that the dozens of federal informants in the crowd weren’t actively encouraging people to go in, that the capitol police weren’t simply allowing people in, or that the whole thing reeked of a Stalinesque show trial. There were also plenty of aspects to Joe Biden’s election that raised serious questions about the integrity of the process, many of which I’ve documented here in Maine, where a Finnish tourist can easily register and cast a vote with a near-zero chance of ever being caught, let alone prosecuted.
Boelter was a Walz appointee, had “No Kings” flyers in his car, and believed that Walz himself instructed him to kill those people. I don’t see any evidence of that, but there is also no evidence he was radicalized by Trump, Charlie Kirk’s bad comment about Paul Pelosi’s “friend” who hit him with a hammer, or conservatives more broadly.
It seems like you are very, very eager to believe unsupported media narratives, which our society is rife with in 2025. It is tough to convince someone like me, who is 45 and have lived through this whole woke revolution, that the mainstream media and Democrats more broadly haven’t been the ones calling their opponents “fascists” for the last 10 years.
When you say that enough, some people believe it, like the guy who allegedly shot Charlie Kirk.
For the last 10 years we’ve been being told that violence from the left is really speech and speech on the right is really violence, and to suggest that conservatives have been something other than basically what Charlie Kirk was is pretty disingenuous, or just ignorance resulting from believing a propaganda machine because it validates your own wild ideas about politics. With 10 years of Trump on the scene, a lot of people have become deeply emotionally invested in their ideas about politics. My woke sister-in-law and my brother are good examples of people who’ve entrenched their ideas so deeply that nothing will ever make them crawl out of their ideological fox hole. Hopefully I’ll be proven wrong, and perhaps Mayor Wu’s vision for Boston might finally make them realize the corrupt, criminal nature of modern Democrat policy. Crime and dysfunction on your doorstep just hits different than reading about it happening elsewhere, where you can always explain it away as being unrelated to your own ideas about politics. When your candidate implements the ideas you agree with and everything just gets shittier, it becomes harder to justify treating the people who disagree with you as if they were radical right-wing extremists who want to dispossess and gas parts of the population. But not always, as humans are quite capable of reasoning themselves into just about anything, like the idea that Charlie Kirk’s peaceful words were fundamentally violent.
It’s not a bad idea. I’ve done the same for long periods as well. I’ve always been interested in politics and history, but sometimes your head needs to be somewhere else.
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Disclaimer: I really like and sympathize with your experience.
FTR….I’m 63 and have pulled a blue lever at the federal level once in my lifetime. It’s tough to convince someone like me that has watched both political parties exploit the public for my entire lifetime, that this movement (that is certainly not conservative by any stretch of the definition) will be different. Different rhetoric, different winners, and losers chosen, same game.
I agree with the idea that people can convince themselves of anything.
There is a serious danger in convincing oneself that you have some special insight into others that enables you to judge their moral value.
Nothing I’ve posted here should be interpreted to mean I think we would be better off if the other side one.
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You think your graph points to that?
No. It was just a stupid answer to stupid comment. I regret it already.
I’d disagree with regards to MAGA, especially considering Trump’s second term. No political party can be all things to all people, but the actual policy actions being taken are quite unlike any previous Republican administration, which all bore more resemblance to Democratic administrations than Trump’s second term.
The mainstream media was just as much an instrument of republican propaganda as democrat for most of both of our lives, and that whole machine is becoming literally worthless. I think they have functioned as a uniparty at the federal level until Trump, which explains how Dick Cheney joins forces with Kamala Harris to try to stop Trump.
Young people will never tune in to the CBS evening news, ever again. For now at least, we have something totally new, politically-speaking, and that is an incredibly sophisticated, open-source social media platform that isn’t subjected to massive pressure from the government to censor people.
Instead of just me and my brother hearing dad read the paper and say “This guy’s full of crap!” and wonder what he was talking about, I or anyone can hop onto X and explain why we think that guy is full of crap, then have somewhere between nobody and a few billion people instantly get the opinion.
This results in a pretty mixed bag experience, but I’m pretty impressed with how X allows me to curate the feed but still introduces me to new stuff I actually do like, along with a bunch of stupid crap I don’t. Now it has Grok AI slapped on to it as well, which is completely crazy compared to reading the newspaper and maybe talking about it in the break room, at a bar, or explaining it to the pigeons down at the park.
What I see happening is a pretty good sorting of information, regardless of politics. Marxists can still be as Marxist as they want, but nobody has to pay any attention to them if they don’t want to. Meanwhile, my favorite account is DataRepublican, a deaf and autistic genius AI programmer who has seemingly become a citizen journalist and produces a pretty staggering amount of information that’s generally very well-supported. She was also on the inside of DOGE at the beginning, so she actually got to see the database structure that’s underneath the entire behemoth of the federal government. It’s really wild stuff that simply wasn’t in the public discussion sphere until recently.
The whole concept of X is also the only possible antidote to propaganda, and it is why tech censorship is so important to governments who want to control the narrative like they have for millennia.
Barring some extremely disruptive event, I’m actually pretty optimistic about the future, at least when I compare it to the probable future of 4 more years of open borders. So much of the “housing crisis” is a result of this, especially in pipeline cities like Lewiston.
Back to the original idea, Trump is quite unlike anything before him, and so far I like nearly everything he’s actually done in terms of policy. It makes complete sense why the whole blob has united against him. He’s ending a massive easy money scam that has powered the entire Democratic party in pretty mind-boggling ways with our own tax money. Republicans set up non-profits and sometimes get tax money as well, but the scope and scale of the Democrat machine that was publicly-funded through NGO’s is pretty hard to get one’s head around.
At any rate, I really hope we don’t get more assassinations, but I think they’ll be coming. They may be a minority, but we’ve got a pretty significant number of people running around thinking they’re fighting Nazis, and that’s going to be an ongoing problem. Transgenders in particular are often, but not always, deeply radicalized and unusually medicated.
Plus, the most conservative generation of young men in history just watched their MLK get assassinated, and that may very well put a few nuts on the right over the edge.
In local news, there is going to be a Charlie Kirk vigil in Portland, ME tonight. I doubt the denizens of r/portlandme reddit will crawl out and do some kind of counter-vigil action, but you never know. A lot of folks are really glad he was shot. Luigi liberals are also sad that Trump wasn’t.
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There is nothing in your post that I can find fault with; other than calling what is taking place ‘conservative’. If you were twenty years older I suspect you would agree.
Yeah I can see how that would change depending on what you’re comparing it to. Compared to how previous generations of young people voted, they definitely are the most conservative. Maine’s mock election in 2024 had Trump up by 11 points, with 52 percent of the public high school kids voting for him in a public school system that fully embraces transgenderism and is rife with activist educators. The kids just ain’t buying it, whatever you want to call that compared to my father’s generation, or his father’s.
When it comes to values, life decisions, culture, etc, you just can’t make the comparison. High school kids today have millennial and Gen X parents, not greatest or silent generation. Being 45, I’d say my childhood experience was probably closer to my grandfather’s than my stepson’s, who is only 20 years younger than me.
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If I were to guess, “conservative” today means no more further left. This country looks extremely liberal compared the pre-Vietnam War. Even the “conservative” movement.
Remember, Trump was a Democrat long before the party moved far left of him.
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So was I. I still haven’t registered with Maine Republicans, but if an important primary looks tight I may. edit: I just forgot that I don’t need to do that in Maine, where I can vote in any primary I want without party affiliation.
Here’s a good example of how X is the antidote to propaganda. It isn’t same stuff on both sides, even if Republicans have said and done bad things, too. This is what a coup attempt looks like, which is what I think we just experienced.
I really need to get my work done for the day, but there is one more interesting local update. Lewiston’s one cop who is somewhat politically engaged with the woke left has been placed on leave and will likely be terminated.
I actually like the guy just fine and our kids played hockey against each other, but it really explains why this guy was always such a big supporter of our woke mayor, the woke mayor before, and all of their crazy local policies.
Turns out he was a DEI promotion to detective in 2020 with a pretty bad internal record, being on the Giglio list, which severely limits his ability to testify in court due to past conduct that diminished his credibility. Basically, he should have been fired in 2017.
Whenever you see someone unexpectedly being woke as hell, like a dude in his 40s, chances are there’s something in it for him.