Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1)

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I’m not either, but it seems like a field of study that has over complicated things without producing great social results over the long term. A lot of that is due to politicians.

Hjalmar Schact wasn’t a National Socialist, but it was his (and other economists) job to take political directions and concoct a way to translate it into actual economic policies, giving Europe new scam ideas like MEFO Bills and RKK Certificates to achieve rearmament while improving the living standards of average Germans.

It worked, too. All Hitler’s economic miracle required was taking everyone else’s stuff and giving it to Germans, especially Nazi Party members.

Democratic Socialism functions the same basic way, transforming the state into a gigantic apparatus for plundering out-groups.

8107

The Supreme Court will decide what is legal or illegal

8108

It just occurred to me that you meant “classical liberal” in the economic sense. I was using the more common modern meaning of the word as a substitute for Democrats/progressives. A poor choice when talking about economics.

I like nitpicking, especially with non-native English speakers. Your English is excellent, btw.

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8109

As expected, the appeals court voted along party lines to satisfy their “constituents”. Then the court basically kicked the can to the supreme court by not issuing the SOP, de rigeur injunction; at least the appeals court actually respected that this is obviously something the Supreme Court should decide.

What will Roberts and ACB say?… Sounds tinfoil-hattyish, but KBJ being such an absolute LOON wrt her “judicial” decisions/writings has really pissed off ACB and imo might be the “nudge” that makes ACB “more conservative” LOL.

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This situation and the fact she was the once charged blew my mind. I am already teaching my daughter how to shoot .22 rifles and when she has enough dexterity I will be getting her in to pistols and highly encouraging her to carry.

8111

I have always thought the tariffs were an obvious end run around congresses control of the purse, and the emergency use order was used inappropriately. To say nothing of the calculation used

And while I won’t be surprised if they let the tariffs stand, I don’t think it’s obvious at all that the SCOTUS will do so. I’m very much not a lawyer though, and that’s why these things make it all the way up the ladder in the first place.

But declaring literally everything an emergency to just do basically whatever you want has always struck me as one step too clever legally

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How so? The money is collected by customs, deposited to the treasury, and controlled by congress.

Where’s the catch?

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8113

They were instituted unilaterally by the executive branch, effectively creating a new tax on American consumers, which is not the presidents role

They have to pretend there is some “emergency” to make it happen, which is partly a tacit admission they know they are circling around the official channels to enact such a tax

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Its really not that cut and dry.

This is definitely a wait and see decision.

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Very few complex legal ideas like this are. But the SCOTUS has proven they aren’t just a rubber stamp for Trump at this point, so I do think then keeping the lower courts opinion is a possibility

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8116

I’m just pissed that it’s a shadow tax I have to pay with no benefit for me. I’m happy to pay for roads, education, low crime, and a strong military.

But having to pay the costs of tarrifs to let some rich asshole get a tax break seems insanely un-American to me.

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Thanks!

Yes, that was my original point. Sorry for being unclear.

Keynesianism is slightly more ”left” from classical liberalism, which is by itself more left from neoliberalism.

8118

Explain why it is ok for all the other countries to have tariffs on American products and goods???

Along with why its ok for the other countries to have trade barriers against american products and goods??

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Democracy being saved in action:

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8120

They(other countries) aren’t our business, but tariffs are not good for their people either. If every government did what was good for its people, there wouldn’t be much government.

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8121

Did someone say that it was?

The issue, in my opinion, with the way Trump both thinks about it (A trade deficit means inherently the US is getting ripped off, apparently is equivalent to a tariff, and that the other countries pay the tariffs) and the way it was enacted. A sudden, worldwide, sweeping tariff on every import. As with lots of things with Trump, I often see the truth of his ideas (Hey maybe we could throw our weight around a little bit and eek out some better economic deals with our trading partners) but the execution is so stunningly infantile its hard to get on board with it.

The way countries usually do tariffs is protectionist to certain industries within their country that are vital to their economies or national interest. A tariff on milk imports if it hits a certain percentage to protect your own countries dairy production for example.

For a recent US example, Joe Biden enacted a very hefty tariff on Chinese EVs. No one really gave a shit because it actually kinda made sense… China can produce pretty good EV’s for like $20k USD, and fucking amazing ones for 40-50k. it would absolutely eat the American market for lunch… If you’re the president of America its something that should be on your radar

But Trump is really doing “tariffs”, hes doing “tariffs as a cudgel to beat everyone into submission on all of the things he wants to do”. Fentanyl crossing our border? Tariff! Illegals coming over? Tariff! Wont give him a Nobel prize? Tariff! Again, the idea that if you want to get the benefit of dealing with America you have to play ball with us on certain things is not entirely crazy, but the execution has just been handled so poorly in my opinion.

Like a schoolyard bully who got the hot new toy everyone wants to play with but you have to give him your lunch money to play with it, The worry is that eventually people are going to try and find ways to not have to play ball with America, and if that happens its going to be very hard for America to get back into that game.

Nobody wants to have to deal with an asshole if they can avoid it, and some people are learning they dont have to

Jack Daniels sales are down 62% in Canada this year

America is the only country with a tourism decline this year, down $29B so far

Summits are happening to strengthen ties with Russia, China, and India

Other countries are NOT “eating the tariffs” as Trump would have you believe. John Deere estimates it will pay $600 Mil this year, Ford is at $2Bil, GM says the tariffs cost it $3Bil this year and will cost $5bil next year if not changed. Stellantis says they will cost them $350M

Far from countries bending the knee and dying to strike deals immediately, almost no new deals have been struck and lots of negatives are already stacking up.

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I get this sentiment a LOT from my father, and other people around his generation.

“By YOUR age (24) you should have at LEAST 300 thousand dollars saved up”

They have NO idea how expensive things are nowadays. Like I appreciated when my mother lent me 100$ the other day which was awesome of her don’t get me wrong.. But she was like “this ought to last you WEEKS to a MONTH or two” meanwhile ONE tank of gas runs me up upwards of 100$ at the moment. Keep in mind my parents had me late, so my father is over the age of sixty and my mother is JUST off sixty (like one year) and father is retired/mother is semi retired and they live a relatively isolated life on farmland here in Aus. They are not in remotely in touch with what reality is like for young people

I live at home with my folks, and my weekly expenses are easily still 200-250. My brother lives in a share house with 4 other kids and his weekly expenses are probably closer to 600-700$ and he is INCREDIBLY frugal. I believe Melbourne (city closest to me and where I go to meet friends) ranked as the least affordable place to live in the world this year… or was that Sydney and Melbourne was second? Australia is rapidly becoming a terrible place with little opportunity to be if you are young and if there IS anyone to blame for this… It IS the boomers who put in policies that would greatly benefit them economically while being fully aware at the time it would screw over my generation

Then there was Australia’s botched handling of covid… that most of the public still supports because we love the nanny state (and if another pandemic were to strike we would seal our borders for years on end and decimate out economy again in an INSTANT).

Times are NOT the same as when my father was a kid… But he can’t get past this “your generation has is so easy” mentality.

Directly correlated with men being single no? I’m not following the rest of what has been said here… Just responding to your comment about increasing male loneliness. The solution is for social norms to change in a manner that allows men to convey emotional vulnerability AND something has to be done about modern dating.

My twin brother is reasonable height (5’10 or like 1/5th of an inch off 5’10), top of his class or near top of his class at law school and women my age play games with him and go for guys who are not necessarily losers but they’re all seemingly the “same guy” (that these women are choosing to date) if you catch my drift

and a nice, well adjusted academic like my brother…. well he isn’t that guy… even though he is the prime example of what would make a good provider in todays society. He is one of the few examples of men who will be able to independently afford a house in Australia on his salary alone AND personality wise he is genuinely a very kind guy… and women are not interested and/or only play games with him. It makes NO sense… and 30-40 + years ago he would have been HEAVILY desired. Not a bad looking guy either. Not overweight, healthy…

I believe he will be desired when he hits his 30s when women his age decide to “settle down”… my argument is a guy like my brother shouldn’t EVER have to “settle”.(4) Why Young Men Are Falling Even Further Behind - YouTube

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I graduated in 2019, and looking back on it bias started creeping in (Aus) around 2018

That being said Australia generally adopts cultural trends later than America. So America drops woke in 2016 or so, Australia adopts in slowly ongoing from 2018, and it was in full force (looking at college) by 2022.

Interestingly my education in AMERICA I noticed a shift to the cultural left around 2013 (lived there for seven years) in that at one point during school assembly the school principle had us rank out our “points of priviledge”

”are you WHITE, are you HETEROSEXUAL, are you CHRISTIAN, are you middle class or above” etc

The divisive rhetoric… at least where I went to school started before Trump came in. Around the time I left America (2016) it started to feel like a powder keg as the area I was in was evenly split like 51-49 republican/democrat and everyone was increasingly at each other’s throats with the Hillary/Trump election… now it feels even more fragmented when I visit…

It got to a point where I couldn’t even make a joke about race…. even if the black students found it funny… immediate detention. Joke about a female actors breast size in the locker room after school “you can’t say that… detention”

Use a swear word… detention… Australia might be a nanny state but in least at school I could get away with making jokes… Detention should be reserved for ACTUAL troublemakers…. And repeatedly going to detention certainly did it’s part to get me acquainted with real troublemakers anyway… My parents had to keep coming in and explain “cultural differences” to get me off the hook which by all accounts was true when I was younger.

I remember this book we were reading about guerilla warfare during the American revolution and a soldier who was physically ill with foot poisoning details soiling himself in his bed and I comment “he has a perfect set of boots outlined RIGHT HERE, why doesn’t he take a dump in his boots?”…. DETENTION… and a call with my parents who explained in class back in Aus that would have been considered hysterical… and a valid question to ask… they didn’t let me off the hook but they didn’t escalate with further punishment. Perhaps I was just a troublemaker… But upon return to Australia I stopped getting detention/punishment altogether which was damn near constant in American private school.

As a matter of fact there was one particular day where a huge portion of the grade (maybe 50-60%) were rounded up and searched for drugs at my school in Aus following a tip off by a concerned parent. I was spared because I had a good reputation with the teachers (as opposed to America where it was detention, comments regarding potential expulsion etc) and wasn’t seen as the type of kid who would take drugs (although I absolutely was the experimental type in my late teens, just never brought that kind of conversation or content onto school grounds) although every single one of my friends was searched. Apparently not a troublemaker in Aus I guess?

I was getting into trouble for shit the teachers would say here in Aus.

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When previous administration’s (for decades) did nothing but line their own pockets, get us involved in wars, allowed mass entrance into this country, did nothing to negotiate fair trade, allowed crime to flourish in our cities and towns, allowed corruption in our own 3 letter institutions, and etc

An ASSHOLE is the only way to straighten it out and it won’t happen overnight

For many years, Canada had a 100% tariff on U.S. Dairy

Australia has a trade barrier against American beef

Japan would not allow American vehicles to be sold in their country

and they are supposed to be our friends

So in essence, you have an issue with a bully or an asshole in the whitehouse….but you are ok with corruption in the Whitehouse

Like I said before dude….you suffer from severe TDS

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It is when we trade with those countries and when the trade is lopsided in their favor

also…my monthly expenses have gone down….not up, so I am not seeing the negative effects of the tariffs