Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1)

Lol if you want, but X is currently the top news platform on the planet, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

If you believe his purchase of twitter was of minimal significance, I guess you don’t remember or are unaware of the very real government-driven censorship campaign we all experienced together during COVID and the Biden Administration. Even facebook followed suit not long after Musk’s purchase of twitter, which also included the release of a massive trove of information revealing how the government conspired with social media companies to censor influential accounts that contradicted the narratives promoted in mainstream media.

Like I said, it won’t happen overnight, but as long as we have a free and open internet, the cream will rise to the top and continue to drive policy and public opinion.

Perhaps I’m reading the tea leaves all wrong and MSNBC will once again play a major force in shaping public opinion with their re-brand to MS NOW, but I doubt it. Boomers will probably keep watching it and other media like it, but nobody else will be.

That’s a Tolkien quote, btw.

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Perhaps a better social media will come along, but if it doesn’t embrace free speech, it won’t be able to compete, and government censorship looks pretty dead in the water to me.

Bluesky is a great example of an alternative with lots of speech controls. It may provide an important function for people who don’t appreciate it when someone scrutinizes their ideas, but that’s not going to result in driving public opinion and public policy. Especially with the surprisingly based Gen Z coming up.

Podcasts will continue to play an important part in the death of the news, especially since sound bytes from them make their way down to Tik Tok and other unsavory parts of the internet.

In a seriously ironic twist, this democratization of public information and public opinion will be a crippling blow to the party who doesn’t shut up about “Our Democracy”.

Wrt the seemingly, now, universal hand wringing over the declining birth rate, I have to admit I’m old enough to remember when Thomas Robert Malthus was still a known name LOLLL.

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You and I seem to be the only Elon dick riders in here (or at least willing to admit it). Don’t you know it’s kewl to dismiss his accomplishments (all gov’t grants) and influence on society (X is just another platform, big fucking deal)?

How many naysayers are even aware that SpaceX had to rescue 2 astronauts because Boeing (with the larger gov’t mullah) had zero ability to do it. And is NASA still in existence?…

This poll tells youse all you need to know:

(Zelensky is 2nd to the Pope at +18, Musk is at -28 LOL)

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IMO the general problem is framing everything as MAGA being a threat and everyone else being a victim.

We are at a point in history where public schools systems are encouraging children to cut their dicks off and lie to their parents along the way, while covering for them.

MAGA isn’t the problem.

MAGA was normal, for Democrats, 15-20 years ago. You can literally line up Clinton and even Oabama speeches and they fit inline with MAGA policy in many cases.

The fact that normal is now “extreme”, as stated by people in support of cutting dicks off, is extremely problematic. Loathing is appropriate, and healthy.

Me too.

For emphasis.

Sincerely sorry to hear about the marital stress. Always so many dynamic angles to consider in such a close interwoven relationship, but we’ve certainly broadly reached a cultural cross-road more so than a disagreement in the path forward to common goals.

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Someone tell me if this bit/type of interaction can be found on Bluesky and it’s ilk:

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Speaking of home affordability, WTF is going on with all these prominent Dem types committing mortgage fraud by claiming erroneous and/or more than one primary residence? Lettitia James (she also claimed 4 unit vs 5 unit dwelling to get a lower rate), Adam Schiff, Lisa Cook (a Fed governor -really?), Ruben Gallego.

All you Lurking Libs in here, please point out some Red fraudsters.

And no, Trump getting “convicted” even though the banks he borrowed from said that they made money and had no complaints LOLLL, does not count.

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It counts. You know it does.

You’re so predictable.

Here’s some real info for you, wrt what Trump truly is “guilty” of:

Donald Trump, as an individual, never filed for personal bankruptcy, but he came perilously close to it in the early 1990s due to significant financial difficulties tied to his business ventures. The most notable instance when Trump nearly faced personal bankruptcy was in 1990, specifically around June 1990, when he struggled to make loan payments on approximately $3.4 billion in debt accumulated through his real estate and casino empire.

Key Details of the Near-Bankruptcy Event

  • Context: In the late 1980s, Trump aggressively expanded his portfolio, acquiring properties like the Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City (financed with $675 million in high-interest junk bonds at 14%), the Plaza Hotel in New York ($390 million purchase), and other ventures like the Trump Shuttle airline and a 282-foot yacht, the Trump Princess. These were heavily leveraged with debt, and by 1990, a combination of economic recession, the Gulf War’s impact on travel, and market saturation in Atlantic City led to severe cash flow problems.

  • Critical Moment: On June 26, 1990, The New York Times reported that Trump narrowly avoided missing a payment deadline that could have triggered personal bankruptcy. His businesses were groaning under debt, and he was unable to meet financial obligations without intervention.

  • Resolution: Trump negotiated a deal with bankers to avoid personal bankruptcy. The agreement involved ceding management control of his multibillion-dollar empire temporarily to lenders, who provided new cash to stabilize his finances. Trump was forced to sell assets, including his yacht, airline, and stakes in properties, to meet obligations. The banks restructured his debt to give him more time to repay, prioritizing asset sales over liquidation.

I’m not insulted by having and expressing a consistant ethos, even if people disagree with it. I stick to my values but am willing to learn and develop a better understanding.

Because of that, hypocrisy really ticks me off.

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I need to use this quote. I don’t have to fight every fight.

So if Letitia pays back her loans and the banks made money with no complaints, she didnt do anything wrong?

PS - What was the prompt you asked AI to answer to get that wall of text?

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Somebody unearthed a dirty little secret.

Or somebody recognized the most ironic and ridiculously obvious case of “You spot it, you got it!” In the history of mankind when the dems went after Trump for bank/mortgage fraud of some sort?

Like someone said “oh, you see room for fraud? Hmm. Maybe we’ll take a look at your books to understand why.”.

When I differentiate between MAGA and the right, I’m speaking to Trump’s hold on the party rather than the policy piece. I have many views to the right of center, though obviously I’m socially progressive - as you are - but only to a certain point. I don’t care who marries who, don’t care what clothes you wear (m/f), don’t care if there are gays in the military, and don’t care whether mothers work or don’t work.

On the other side, I don’t care about guns or prepping (have a compound if you’d like, go ahead), don’t care if a community hangs the Ten Commandments at school, don’t care if flag burning is outlawed, don’t care if trans are barred from military, and would be okay with required military service.

What I do care about is the decline in civility and trust, which is present in all spheres of functioning now. At one time my relationships with medical providers were based in mutual interest in wellbeing, whether mine or my kids’. Now - and I live in a small, cozy town rather than the DFW metroplex - my interactions are based on providers’ need to record for protection and bill. Government corruption just grows and grows and grows, and no one seems to care, while service declines. My shock over party acceptance of poor behavior started with Clinton, not Trump.

I care about oversight and protection. These are being chipped away at (well, currently eliminated completely). I care about abortion, but am not for it or against it. What I am for is a solution to unwanted babies. I would like to ask that abortion center protesters show their foster parent or adoptive parent proofs in order to continue screaming at impoverished 18-year-olds or mothers of already-more-children-than-she-can-manage. I would like late term abortions made illegal.

I would like the social safety net to make more sense. SNAP is vulnerable to misuse and does nothing to encourage healthy eating. It’s an addict’s dream. Pizza bagels for their kids and Pepsi for themselves. It’s disgusting. And that’s assuming they don’t trade the benefit for drugs or cigs. I would like Medicaid made less vulnerable to misuse. I’ve never encountered fraud, but every day I see our money squandered by people who are not incentivized in any way to behave thoughtfully, as with the SNAP.

I would like social security to pay enough for people to live with dignity. Perhaps the rest of you in this thread are shielded from the reality of poor people, but every week I see at least one person who works full time and still lives in poverty (defined as not enough money to pay bills, keep a car running, etc). Old people: are we really - we, the wealthiest nation on Earth - forcing old people to live on $12k a year after a lifetime working as nursing home aids and fry cooks? Why?

I would like to see the concept of shame returned to our country. Are your workers on food stamps or Medicaid, Mr. Bezos, while you sit on piles of gold like Scrooge McDuck? Shame on you. Oh look! Here comes the government to say you can’t operate that way because it’s exploitive.

I’m against teaching transgenderism in school, and am vigorously FOR teaching academics. Same goes for religious education. Choose a private school or teach it at home. School is for math, literacy, and science. I am against medical interference in sex before age 18 and think it should be private pay, as any body mods I might want are.

I don’t know - I’m moderate and want the fuckery of polarization and hate to stop. Which is what I see Trump fanning to his personal benefit, with the result being the MAGA cult.

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Trump is the only president who lost net worth while in office. He was also nearly assassinated. I don’t understand why anyone thinks he’s doing this for personal gain, aside from historical legacy at this point.

You actually seem quite MAGA to me, but like many people, can’t get over your distaste for Trump. He’s governing like a 1990s Democrat when it comes to actual policy.

As far as polarization goes, wouldn’t the blame for that rest with the people who introduced the polarizing ideas instead of the people reacting to them?

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The issue is that you’re touching on a lot of principle, and relativism has limits. We are full on in a culture war over many of the issues you’ve highlighted, where public policy is being formed instead of private decisions being made. This is what a culture war looks like, but if assigning blame you’ll have to look before Trump…and at the left. If being objective.

I want to clarify that I don’t consider myself socially progressive. To me this elicits an image of pressing for change, in support of the things you’re mentioning. I consider them perversions, I’m just not going to lose my shit over weirdos, until they create and try to force policy on the rest of us and especially our kids. Maybe socially apathetic, until we cross over from personal choice to public policy.

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I used to in my 20’s, largely because I didn’t understand what progressivism actually meant.

In local news, another pedestrian was struck and killed earlier this week by a car driven by a “New Mainer”. That’s two avoidable deaths in less than a week.

No news on immigration status as of now.

Last Friday’s death actually resulted in two deportations. The passenger was here illegally and was issued a Maine driver’s license. The driver had a learner’s permit.

After speaking with a local lawyer, he assured me that legal residency is technically a requirement for all forms of driver’s licenses in Maine. Grok disagreed, saying Maine allowed it in 2021. I’m inclined to agree with the lawyer on the technical details of it.

It appears very similar to how our voting system still technically requires citizenship, but the execution of it by the state ensures that requirement is completely overlooked.

And yes, New Mainers are often terrible drivers, even more so than people from Boston.

I’m young but am curious: was the two party system always this strong? I feel like nuance is dead. Everybody agrees with every point their party has and immediately defends their actions before there’s even a result. To me, people are told what to think and do it. Both MAGA and the left.

What’s wrong with being pro gun but also pro regulation on guns? Or pro life but understand some scenarios where abortion is fine? It seems like it’s all or nothing lately.

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It’s been pretty well entrenched for a while, but none of the issues that polarize us today were even on the discussion table until around Obama’s 2nd term.

DEI, transgenderism, and open borders being the main culprits here. Affirmative action existed, but that’s a mild precursor to the comprehensive nature of DEI.

Ross Perot was the most successful 3rd party candidate of my life, getting around 19 percent of the vote in 1992.

In practical terms, Trump and MAGA are a third party when you compare them to pre-Trump Republicans. Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala Harris, along with a whole lot of other “Republican” swamp creatures.

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