Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1)

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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I’m not so sure that’s an inevitability. Some seriously crazy people would need to gain a lot of power for that to happen.

Then again, 20 years ago if you told me the state I was moving to would soon be teaching boys and girls that they can be the opposite sex and that the demographics would be radically transformed in just a few short years through taxpayer-funded mass migration, and that the quiet college town would have multiple shootings per week, I would have called you a crazy far-right conspiracy theorist.

We certainly live in interesting times.

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4856

There’s nothing to learn. War is part of the human experience, and it will always happen.

4857

Yes, it might be. If it’s so it reinforces my statement that humanity won’t survive for long.

I personally see limiting wars as one of the main goals for humanity. But if war is so integrated part of humanity that it can not be controlled, well, shit.

Even though the possibility of a catalystic world war is very low. Just the neutrality you possessed when mentioning the wars as a natural and understandable part of human interaction shake me a little.

But of course, I don’t know your base values. You said that you value Putin over Macron, so it might be that we just share quite different views of good and bad etc. I’m quite sure Putin does not think He’s evil. Neither do other dictators.

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He isnt shot dead every day of the week. I didnt get in a car accident today either. Him GETTING shot dead would have absolutely changed history and the future quite dramatically I think. Him not getting shot dead? I dont think it did much. His supporters became more supportive (it certainly seems to have left an impression on you), and his detractors were sympathetic at the situation but werent so moved that they decided to vote for him over it.

Its not like he went from 3% support to 80% after it

On any given week him and Biden or Harris were ± 3-5 or so from each other. Trump got a little tiny bump that faded after that. Harris/walz got a little tiny bump after she took over and that (obviously) faded

But by and large it was a dead heat the entire time. I suppose we could attribute the assassination attempt to his victory in some way, maybe some nebulous psychological phenomenon that tipped a certain amount of people over the line or made them get off the couch to vote when they wouldnt have otherwise, but the amount that it contributed is unknowable, and to me seems basically irrelevant given the numbers they were running the entire race. 50% each give or take a few points based on the week or the poll and Trump got more people to come out when it mattered

But outside of the US and his voters, no one gives a shit. In fact im not real sure most people in the states do either, You are literally the only person I ever see even bring it up any more.

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Lets move on to a more light hearted topic:

Would you be in favor of Trump running again in 2028 like he seems to be hinting at? I remember you and few others saying that him violating the constitution would be your red line, does this count as that?

Lets play it as a hypothetical. He ignores the rules and just simply runs for office as the default republican nominee again since he is president, with the full backing of the republican party and they dont hold primaries, and that he does so in such a way that violates the constitution ( Im trying to avoid any “weellllll teccchhhhnically if he does XYZ and so-and-so does ABC he didnt acccccctually run for office” or whatever type games… Just flat out runs for office in the way the 22nd says he cant)

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He is not going to run again.

I would gladly put a large sum of money on that too.

I am not a huge Trump fan, but goddamn we dodged a bullet with the drunken retard that is Harris.

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4861

If he did that, I definitely wouldn’t vote for him. It would be a direct attack on the American style of democracy.

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4862

Care to answer the actual hypotehtical?

IF he does, what would your reaction be?

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Like all things in politics and most things in life, I will ask the question of “compared to what?”

Compared to ANY Democrat I know of right now, yes I’d still vote for Trump, barring some really egregious actions in the next four years. To me, a third term pales in comparison to facilitating more mass migration. We’re already at 1/3 if our public school students speaking no English, but 42 other languages.

If it happens, I’m guessing it will happen with a Vance/Trump ticket, with Vance resigning on day 1, or something similar.

I don’t think it will happen, just as I don’t think the Democrats will conjure up a viable candidate to run against Vance in the interim. If some basic election integrity happens, like voter ID in Maine, the Dems will be completely cooked until they can reinvent themselves AGAIN, as they have throughout their entire history.

71 percent of Republicans identify as MAGA. The movement isn’t going away, it is growing. Young people especially.

Hence the mad scramble to import migrants and empower them to vote by any means possible.

The political party names may stick around, but MAGA seems to have completely rejected the old neoconservatives and their Swamp Republican Party. Look at how Liz Cheney was shown the door.

My Dem rep Jared Golden seems to be making similar calculations in real time. He’s really trying to distance himself from woke Dems and is floating the “No Labels” movement. He’s only in power because of Maine’s shocking elections with no process security, and he knows it. I think he’s anticipating voter id passing.

He’s definitely reading the room, as his recent votes against Dems have indicated.

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4864

So it turns out Violatingthe constitution isn’t really a dealbreaker after all

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4865

What do you call the Executive Branch ignoring its responsibility to enforce immigration law?

Good policy?

Or am I guilty of believing right wing propaganda and it never happened?

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What do you want me to do? I’d be against it and wouldn’t vote for him as it is unconstitutional.

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4867

War doesn’t happen, that’s a copout.

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Well our other poster here just said he would vote for him, so im just taking a gauge on what people are willing to do here for trump

4869

I call all of of this deflecting

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Let me get this right. By bringing up the previous administration’s defining policy of open borders and “voting rights” for these noncitizens, I am deflecting from the REAL issue of your hypothetical situation 3 years from now that has almost no chance of happening?

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4871

correct. By definition in fact

Bringing up things aside from the issue we are talking about (trump running for a third term and you supporting it) is deflecting, and in this case also whataboutism

Very common tactics to avoid taking responsibility for the answer you would give if you addressed the actual issue, which is your support of trump violating the constitution in direct opposition to the one thing you said would be your red line

Now… if you’d like to discuss bidens issues, we can do that separately. Im also quite sure something happened in Lewiston if you want to bring that up

And if you did THAT and then I brought up things trump did instead of addressing it, I would be guilty of deflecting

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I didn’t say I would 100 percent support it, only that I would if the election were held today and I had to choose between Harris or any Democrat I am aware of, and Trump. Of course I would have serious reservations about the entire situation, which has about a 0.01 percent chance of materializing.

It is a far-fetched hypothetical. What would happen under a Harris administration is less of a hypothetical, as it seemed quite clear from her own limited rhetoric that she intended on changing none of Biden’s policies. There is no reason to believe the flow of people from distant lands supported by tax dollars would have stopped. There is ample reason to believe it would have continued and it is equally plausible that it would have accelerated.

If you are like me and wish to preserve the idea that people like me, people like you, and every citizen of the USA should enjoy equal rights, including self-determination through our election systems, surely you can see how Biden and any likely Democrat’s agenda is designed to undermine that very concept.

One party rule seemed to be the obvious goal, along with permanently rigging the election systems.

Do you really have no opinion on that, or is your opinion that I am misinformed?

If you don’t believe me that you can register to vote in Lewiston with no documentation by signed affidavit, please call Lewiston City Hall, tell them you want to vote in the upcoming school budget but do not have ID.

If you don’t believe me that a utility bill is acceptable ID in Maine, perhaps you will believe the State of Maine.

Title 21-A, §112-A: Proof of identity for voting purposes

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Thats one of those things that he says to make libs heads explode.

The only ones who don’t know that are the libs whose heads exploded. :rofl:

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4874

The REEEEEEEEEEing will be heard on Pluto

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