Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1)

What do you think might happen after that?

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I would argue that those involved in social media are no better than the so called mainstream media with regard to the damage they have done to this country.

Beyond that, these types are not patriots or about the value of western culture. They are capitalists who seek opportunities to exploit. If they have a say in government, they will create those opportunities. Our culture is more than capitalism and they will do nothing to make Americans healthy and happy.

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Fair enough, but if what you say is true what can a normal person expect from it?

For example, I’m expecting fewer people from distant lands flooding my community under a Trump presidency. That’s a policy set by the executive branch that I expect to notice at the local level.

What is the bad outcome in store for us with Elon Musk in a cabinet-level role and who would be a better alternative?

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One can hope.

First off, he doesn’t know anything. Just being intelligent doesn’t make you wise. Second, he will, because it only makes sense, work to help himself make more money.

Alternatives would be people who know things, not people who are no better than internet influencers. But Americans seem to be allergic to experts.

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Tesla kept him interacting the business side with the government side. Musk is surely smart enough to have picked up some knowledge of how government works.

This allows Musk to fit in alongside everyone else in Washington, DC making more money for themselves.

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How government can work for him. Policies require knowledge.

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I was a bit more asking what the person who voted for him but was hoping to have his crazy reigned in was hoping for, but I’ll bite (and then I have to go to work, so dont expect much reply after this today)

  • Im not a big fan of the Tariffs (20-1,000% depending on which quote of his you want to cite). That is very, very clearly going to make prices go up on damn near everything imported (and could spark a trade war on things we export - see what happened with Steel and soy beans and rice) . One could argue it might create a manufacturing incentive in America but that has to be weighed against the price increase (either for paying for the tariff itself or paying an American company more to make it - either way prices go up).

  • Outside of prices, theres also no guarantee that the tariff will create or maintain jobs in America. After his initial inheriting of the Obama economy where jobs were increasing already, Trump was stagnant or losing manufacturing jobs already for a year before COVID so theres no guarantee he has what it takes to bring any new ones here anyway. They are already at record level under Biden.

  • Really, really not a big fan of RFK Jr being made the head of the CDC, FDA, HHS, NIH, and the UDSA (and more apparently). Dude is, in my opinion, a crank (or at the very least easily swayed by “alternaitve” health ideas) and has ideas that broadly ignore or go against the scientific consensus of their respective fields.

  • Mass deportations are going to be interesting to watch. Im honestly not really moved either way on the issue, but it is no doubt going to have economic implications, and I dont think lowering prices is going to be what happens. To say nothing of how they are actually going to get done

  • General concerns about how he is going to try to “settle” things like the war in Ukraine and Gaza, What kind of “efficiencies” Elon is going to find in the budget (that he admits will cause great economic pain “at first”), his lip service to Christians is a bit too heavy for my tastes as well

  • General concerns about calling people on the left vermin and the enemy within, and his propensity to seem to want to use the military here in America against Americans (that I believe was checked by previous cabinet members that are now not there).

  • General concerns about our standing and influence in the world. US Lost a lot of “soft power” last Trump term, and should he continue to alienate the world that could further increase

  • And lastly - just from a personal perspective - the guy is just a repugnant, repulsive, whiney narcissist completely lacking in the character and the qualities I like to see in a leader. I dont know how anyone can stand the guy honestly

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Liberal tears.

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Someone should inform him that Congress controls the purse. He isn’t an elected official but those congressmen are, and they want to get reelected. Go ahead and cause that pain and give the Democrats the government.

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I know he says a lot of crazy shit. I fully admit that. I don’t believe he actually believes most of it. The things I do believe I liked more than the alternative. He’s already served one term, and I feel like we were a lot better off then than we are now.

Honestly, if Harris had just admitted the Biden admin fucked up immigration and if she had ANY answer to what she would have done different on immigration/economy than Biden, I may have voted for her. But she said she couldn’t think of one thing she’d do differently.

How do you discern which crazy shit he means and which crazy shit he doesn’t mean?

Is there anything in particular you hope he doesn’t mean?

Immigration I will give it to you on. You either like trump or Biden more on it, but the economy…

Surely you can appreciate that pre-covid the world economy, and thus ours, was in an entirely different place yeah ? And trump handled the critical first year of that pandemic which eventually went on to contribute (in part) to the inflation we saw under Biden - which would have been inflation under trump had he won.

If it is something that would require a constitutional amendment, I think he doesn’t mean it. Beyond that, just gotta go with my gut.

thought: it does not matter. We are 35 trillion in debt. We have to borrow money just to make our interest only payments on that debt. We just elected a new captain of the Titanic 20 seconds before it hits the ice berg

prediction: War! because that is the only way out of our debt

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You been asleep…we are involved with the wars in Ukraine and Israel

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A good enough reason for me

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Application trumps (no pun intended) preparation. While preparation usually lends itself to application, having a base level of knowledge in and of itself is useless. It makes much more sense for a guy like Musk, who intellectually understands the economy, various legal operating strata, tax law et cetera in an applicable way and with massive achievements working inside of to hold a position vs say a college professor who assigns a book and shares largely unqualified opinions for years.

Titans of industry match economic overhaul need.

How is this different than…

And I’m not talking about a college professor, although I wouldn’t complain if someone like Thomas Sowell was working in government.

The fact Musk doesn’t understand the president doesn’t create the budget and the fact that austerity measures will affect voters so congressmen will not be onboard with them, shows he is ignorant.

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Is there at least some appreciation that voting for the guy who’s ideas (in part) you hope he doesn’t implement is a tad insane to non-supporters ?

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The rest of the context you snipped out.

Case in point, in a roundabout and ironic way.

How would Biden have handled the first year of Covid different from Trump?

The initial strain of Covid-19 and the Delta variant were a lower respiratory virus. It was life threatening to many citizens. By the latter part of 2021 the mutations of Covid became strains that were (and are now) upper respiratory viruses, little more than a common cold. Yet Biden didn’t encourage the opening up of the country, and he continued “printing money” to assist those not working. His risk averse position increased the inflationary damage of Covid.

IMO, Trump would have opened up the country significantly sooner than Biden did. Liberals typically believe that government is needed to right the ship; Conservatives typically believe the people can more efficiently right the ship.

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