[quote]therajraj wrote:
ignoring the competing aspect, if it improves your quality of life, who gives a shit?
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As I have posted earlier; providing the are not masquerading as something other than what nature intended them to be; I have no dispute with their choice.
A study that states that TRT doesn’t raise risk. In some cases, lowers risk.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
ignoring the competing aspect, if it improves your quality of life, who gives a shit?
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As I have posted earlier; providing the are not masquerading as something other than what nature intended them to be; I have no dispute with their choice. [/quote]
How far are you willing to take these lines of thought? It’s a pretty deep rabbit hole.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
ignoring the competing aspect, if it improves your quality of life, who gives a shit?
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As I have posted earlier; providing the are not masquerading as something other than what nature intended them to be; I have no dispute with their choice. [/quote]
We do things to defeat nature every single day of our lives. You, me and every other person reading this. Every single day. And we don’t even blink an eye doing it.[/quote]
I think the best way to do it is to figure out how to work with nature optimally.
I think you guys should try watching Shakira videos before resorting to TRT.
[quote]on edge wrote:
I think you guys should try watching Shakira videos before resorting to TRT.[/quote]
Your comment was probably tongue in cheek but TRT addresses much more than just getting your dick hard.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Your natural levels are whatever the hand nature delt you at any given point in time. Eveyone thinks they have a good reason for doing a wrong thing. Right now there are any number of people involved in affiars that violate the ‘exclusive’ agreement they have with another; they rationilize them for a variety of reasons; that doesn’t mean they are anything less than a betrayal of honor. The path of least resistance is what water does when it’s rolling down hill; not the path an ethical man chooses to take. [/quote]
Oh for crying out loud, comparing TRT use with adultery?
C’mon man.[/quote]
Wow wow wow. Ignorance and being naive. What a post. I normally respect BC’s posts but this is too much.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
I think you guys should try watching Shakira videos before resorting to TRT.[/quote]
Your comment was probably tongue in cheek but TRT addresses much more than just getting your dick hard.[/quote]
Actually test doesn’t do as much as people think for making your dick hard. People should do a lot more reading if that’s one of the main things they think it fixes. Along with muscle building and ect. At natural range it’s muscle building potential isn’t amazing.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Your natural levels are whatever the hand nature delt you at any given point in time. Eveyone thinks they have a good reason for doing a wrong thing. Right now there are any number of people involved in affiars that violate the ‘exclusive’ agreement they have with another; they rationilize them for a variety of reasons; that doesn’t mean they are anything less than a betrayal of honor. The path of least resistance is what water does when it’s rolling down hill; not the path an ethical man chooses to take. [/quote]
I think you clarified this in your next post, but I have to assume this only refers to people who are competing in something tested and claiming to be all natural. I can’t imagine this matters even in the slightest for someone not doing that.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
I think you guys should try watching Shakira videos before resorting to TRT.[/quote]
Your comment was probably tongue in cheek but TRT addresses much more than just getting your dick hard.[/quote]
Actually test doesn’t do as much as people think for making your dick hard. People should do a lot more reading if that’s one of the main things they think it fixes. Along with muscle building and ect. At natural range it’s muscle building potential isn’t amazing. [/quote]
This is what I was trying to convey in my posts. It seems as if there are those that feel TRT will provide supra-maximal results in the gym, when this is just not the case. Will it help, sure because it helps in all aspects in life. Simply being a healthier person which TRT has done for myself is going to help in every aspect.
Why the fuck would I go on TRT just for the being better at lifting weights, I would have done Steroid type cycles from the get-go.
Im almost feeling like this has become a game of semantics. The word Natural is being thrown around, if you want to say I wasnt natural because of my TRT use, fine it really doesent bother me. What bothers me is the idea that because I was on TRT for legitimate reasons I should therefore fall into the same group that are using hormones and steroids only to get stronger and look better, this is just unfair.
Sorry to break it to anyone, but dealing with the hand that you are dealt in life is doing your damndest to make your life better for yourself and the ones that are effected by you (that you care about of course).
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Been on TRT for three years mainly Testopel.
FTR My test was in the high 200’s…
My Test “enhancement” was monitored by a doctor while on testopel and generally was always in the 650 - 750 range…I know ridiculously high.
I also competed, all my competitions were done while on TRT in the above mentioned range, [/quote]
So the TRT resulted in a 3+ to 4 fold increase in your natural levels.
If you competed in the open division; no problem; otherwise I feel different.
If a medical condition exists and TRT will improve the situation that is a different story, but doesn’t change my position regarding competition.
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Natural range for a male is not in the 200’s so no it wasnt increased 3 to 4x
This is to everyone then more because i like stirring up shit…my test levels were in the 40s basically female normal ranges for test at age 20 (they had hit normal male levels considering i went through puberty and what not fine). Does that mean i can compete as a female since at that point i was chemically a female? And if i was to be on trt I couldnt compete as a natural? Id have to be off trt and have test levels of a woman to compete against males with test levels 700-100? That doesnt really seem logical. Considering trt brings test levels into normal male range I have no idea where people think these amazing extra benefits are coming from that would make someone unable to compete in a natural fed. There levels are still at physiological range. Not above range. Not at a point where they are gaining more than any other man at normal mid range.[/quote]
Yes exactly, the word is normal range, so why would anyone Have to compete with those that are not in normal range. I guess put asterisk stating not natural on TRT but falls within normal ranges for a male his age. Surely that would suffice
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Your natural levels are whatever the hand nature delt you at any given point in time. Eveyone thinks they have a good reason for doing a wrong thing. Right now there are any number of people involved in affiars that violate the ‘exclusive’ agreement they have with another; they rationilize them for a variety of reasons; that doesn’t mean they are anything less than a betrayal of honor. The path of least resistance is what water does when it’s rolling down hill; not the path an ethical man chooses to take. [/quote]
I think you clarified this in your next post, but I have to assume this only refers to people who are competing in something tested and claiming to be all natural. I can’t imagine this matters even in the slightest for someone not doing that.[/quote]
I am not doing anything wrong by being on TRT, Im a not betrayal of honor. I am not rationalizing anything and do not understand or accept your examples above as it relates to the topic at hand.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Your natural levels are whatever the hand nature delt you at any given point in time. Eveyone thinks they have a good reason for doing a wrong thing. Right now there are any number of people involved in affiars that violate the ‘exclusive’ agreement they have with another; they rationilize them for a variety of reasons; that doesn’t mean they are anything less than a betrayal of honor. The path of least resistance is what water does when it’s rolling down hill; not the path an ethical man chooses to take. [/quote]
Oh for crying out loud, comparing TRT use with adultery?
C’mon man.[/quote]
Wow wow wow. Ignorance and being naive. What a post. I normally respect BC’s posts but this is too much.
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I guess I’m naive & ignorant too. Got a picture of this 20 year old with the test levels of a girl? 'Cause Im skeptical on top of naive and ignorant.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Your natural levels are whatever the hand nature delt you at any given point in time. Eveyone thinks they have a good reason for doing a wrong thing. Right now there are any number of people involved in affiars that violate the ‘exclusive’ agreement they have with another; they rationilize them for a variety of reasons; that doesn’t mean they are anything less than a betrayal of honor. The path of least resistance is what water does when it’s rolling down hill; not the path an ethical man chooses to take. [/quote]
I think you clarified this in your next post, but I have to assume this only refers to people who are competing in something tested and claiming to be all natural. I can’t imagine this matters even in the slightest for someone not doing that.[/quote]
Correct
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Your natural levels are whatever the hand nature delt you at any given point in time. Eveyone thinks they have a good reason for doing a wrong thing. Right now there are any number of people involved in affiars that violate the ‘exclusive’ agreement they have with another; they rationilize them for a variety of reasons; that doesn’t mean they are anything less than a betrayal of honor. The path of least resistance is what water does when it’s rolling down hill; not the path an ethical man chooses to take. [/quote]
Oh for crying out loud, comparing TRT use with adultery?
C’mon man.[/quote]
Wow wow wow. Ignorance and being naive. What a post. I normally respect BC’s posts but this is too much.
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The parallel is the deception; I think you boys are sharp enough to get it.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Your natural levels are whatever the hand nature delt you at any given point in time. Eveyone thinks they have a good reason for doing a wrong thing. Right now there are any number of people involved in affiars that violate the ‘exclusive’ agreement they have with another; they rationilize them for a variety of reasons; that doesn’t mean they are anything less than a betrayal of honor. The path of least resistance is what water does when it’s rolling down hill; not the path an ethical man chooses to take. [/quote]
Oh for crying out loud, comparing TRT use with adultery?
C’mon man.[/quote]
Wow wow wow. Ignorance and being naive. What a post. I normally respect BC’s posts but this is too much.
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I guess I’m naive & ignorant too. Got a picture of this 20 year old with the test levels of a girl? 'Cause Im skeptical on top of naive and ignorant.[/quote]
Yes. I have lots. I take lots of pics of myself
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Your natural levels are whatever the hand nature delt you at any given point in time. Eveyone thinks they have a good reason for doing a wrong thing. Right now there are any number of people involved in affiars that violate the ‘exclusive’ agreement they have with another; they rationilize them for a variety of reasons; that doesn’t mean they are anything less than a betrayal of honor. The path of least resistance is what water does when it’s rolling down hill; not the path an ethical man chooses to take. [/quote]
I think you clarified this in your next post, but I have to assume this only refers to people who are competing in something tested and claiming to be all natural. I can’t imagine this matters even in the slightest for someone not doing that.[/quote]
I am not doing anything wrong by being on TRT, Im a not betrayal of honor. I am not rationalizing anything and do not understand or accept your examples above as it relates to the topic at hand.
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As I mentioned earlier; it would depend on how the rule is written in the organization where you competed. Regulations and laws are riddled with technical exceptions, this is the world we all live in. Again; I take no exception w/TRT to treat any condition or improve an individuals well being.