[quote]ds77 wrote:
Geobob,
Do you take the HCG the same day you do your test cyp shot?
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If he is injecting HcG EOD and TC semi-weekly, then I would imagine the answer is sometimes yes and sometimes no; why do you ask? (just curious)
Anyone cosidering TRT should take a look at www.thehiddendisease.com (very informative)
[quote]turbo88 wrote:
Anyone cosidering TRT should take a look at www.thehiddendisease.com (very informative)[/quote]
It has been so long since Iāve lived on this site that I actually fell for that troll job
[quote]Mousse wrote:
It has been so long since Iāve lived on this site that I actually fell for that troll job[/quote]
Read the papers on the site.
Here are some salient results from my blood test.
t-4: 1.1, range .8-1.8ā¦good
tsh: 1.9, range .4-4.5ā¦thyroid this seems normal
total test: 762, range 250-1100ā¦good
free test: 67.1, range 35-155ā¦fair
% free test: .8, range 1.5-2.2ā¦not goodā¦it would seem to me that possibly something may be inhibiting free test?
triglycerides: 152, range <150ā¦a little high
glucose: 99, range 65-99ā¦barely in range
Nothing seems alarming but triglycerides & glucose make me wonderā¦I suppose another day may give different results. I think I need to try to increase my insulin sencitivity & free testā¦opinions?
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Low FT is from too much SHBG. Talking about that without E2 labs does not go far. You need to get optimal E2 and try to get T dose increased to raise FT. One can ignore TT while doing that, but most docs will be WTF. You could increase the dose by 25%, but a 25% increase in FT would not be enough. What are the LDL and HDL numbers?
Based on TT alone, without regard to anything else, most would say that you need to get closer to TT=1000.
Some docs test FT and do not care about TT. Most TT is SHBG bound T and of no value.
If ones SHBG increased, TT will increase and FT will decrease.
If liver function is impeded by alcohol or some Rx/OTC drugs, or illnesses, then E2 will increase and SHBG increases in response to the increased E2.
More frequent injections will lead to less E2 and SHBG than weekly injections.
When was the lab work done relative to your last T dose and what is the dose?
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Regarding free testosterone numbers, my doc mentioned that 334 was a little high. Iāve since started the HCG and suspect that my FT might increase. What are the concerns with higher FT values. I thinking that I might have to provide my doctor with some information regarding FT values and what is really a problem. Similar to the E2 values.
If you are injecting T EOD, that is high.
If transdermal, FT can spike after application.
If injecting once a week, FT can spike after application.
If some if an injection entered a vein, FT might spike after that.
The fact that FT that high is out of range, does not mean that it is not seen in normal guys who are in the top 5% or 2.5%, however they defined normal range.
Best to do labs 1/2 way between injections and not apply transdermals the day of the test.
What was FT before and what dose changes since then?
How is your mood and sex drive?
Wal-Mart insulin syringes: They have switched back to an earlier manufacturer. The bodies are now again longer with smaller pistons. This increases pressures and reduced T injection time and force. I use #29, 0.5ml 0.5" for injecting T and hCG. The time to load does not change as the negative pressure is limited by the boiling of the benzyl alcohol in the T.
The longer length is also an improvement as smaller ones do not handle as well with large hands.
These new needles have zero dead space and there is less liquid left in the needle after injecting compared to the prior needles.
The needles are mounted into a ācapā that is pressed onto the syringe body. With some pliers, that ācapā can be removed. The result makes a nice oral syringe for carrying liquid tadalifil or anastrozole etc. If there is no air in the syringe it will not leak [no way to cap it].
No more paper sleeves, now packaged in bags of 10 within the box of 100. There is now a cap on each end of the syringe.
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Thanks KSman ,
post is removed and Iāve created separate
This is a topic sticky for TRT injection issues. hCG injections are described earlier in this thread.
Your biggest problem is the high E2. If you lower that, you will feel better. How will you get Arimidex/anastrozole or hCG?
If you are overweight, drink too much, have liver problems or are using certain Rx or OTC [over the counter] drugs, these can cause your E2 to be high. Your T levels are sort of typical for your age. If you lower E2, T levels may increase.
Is there diabetes in your family? [HbA1C]
This should be in its own post, not here.
While weāre on the subject here Iām up to 18 months of SC T cyp injections with zero issues. Labs are fine and no injection site issues. I found the best spot to inject SC is about 5 inches down the top of the thigh from your hip.
The T flows very nicely there and doesnāt leave a lump or leak out of the injection site. Itās also painless in that area. Injecting T IM is needed for large amounts but for multiple small T injections a week SC is fine.
Anyone else shooting SC? It seems to be the way to go to me.
It could be all in my head but Iāve now tried the IM injections and the SC and it seems to me that shooting a 5/8 needle in the top of my thigh must be IM. I donāt think I notice much on a t shot day SC but the IM? had me running for an hour and half saturday. I did 9 miles. Anybody else notice this kind of a bump from there t shots. My last SC shot left me itching for a week. I realize that IM verses SC is skin thickness dependent so I may be imagining the whole thing but Iāve had some mussel pain previously from the longer needles and top of the thigh injections so Iām thinking there IM and there is seem to definetly be a difference.
For anyone questioning weather or not to get on the HCG, I can tell you itās worth it and it is as easy as taking a pill. I canāt hardly feel those little needles. Is there any form of an AI thatās injectable. Seems like measuring out dosages would be easier.
[quote]GeoBob wrote:
Is there any form of an AI thatās injectable? Seems like measuring out dosages would be easier.[/quote]
It would have to be a sterile product, so it would not be cheap. Anastrozole is well absorbed, with or without food. So hardly any motive for an injectable.
[quote]brentf13 wrote:
While weāre on the subject here Iām up to 18 months of SC T cyp injections with zero issues. Labs are fine and no injection site issues. I found the best spot to inject SC is about 5 inches down the top of the thigh from your hip.
The T flows very nicely there and doesnāt leave a lump or leak out of the injection site. Itās also painless in that area. Injecting T IM is needed for large amounts but for multiple small T injections a week SC is fine.
Anyone else shooting SC? It seems to be the way to go to me. [/quote]
I just started doing this. My Dht was 247 on t cream so I switched to SC T EOD. I agreeā¦it seems like the way to go.
I think that it is a good option. For me, I can get lumps in my fat that last too long. So perhaps not an option for all.
I used to get that too until I changed the injection site to high up my thigh. The fat layer there seems to be less dense and lets the t cyp flow. Injecting in that area doesnāt leave a lump.
So, once you get your levels to where everything is working for youā¦should you eventually go off everything or anything or do you keep the injections going forever?
[quote]ChrisM wrote:
So, once you get your levels to where everything is working for youā¦should you eventually go off everything or anything or do you keep the injections going forever?[/quote]
TRT is forever. But if you want to feel like crap, stop.
Iāll be heading out of town for the weekend and need to take a preloaded HcG slin with me. It will go unrefrigerated for 48 hours before administering. How much of an issue is this? Should I pull out an extra .01 or something to make up for any efficacy issues?