Just inject SC/SQ instead of IM?
[quote]KSman wrote:
Just inject SC/SQ instead of IM?[/quote]
Some seem to do eod for subq and I was wondering how the Ai and hcg would adjust. Sorry for not being specific.
Subway? Your weekly dose for AI and hCG is not affected. With T EOD, your FT will be steady and then you want a steady matching amount of AI. My preference is to inject T and hCG at the same time and dose AI at the same time, just as a workable routine. This is in the stickies. hCG is also injected SC. SC avoids decades of IM muscle damage.
I have been on trt for many years using 250 hcg two days before and day before my 200mg of cypionate. I would like to switch to a lower dose and shoot every 3 days. My question is when would I take my hcg? and would i shoot every 3 days or pick two days during the week and stay with those daysā¦I apologize if this has been answered I did look through some previous posts and was unable to find anything
Thanks everyone
[quote]102workout wrote:
I have been on trt for many years using 250 hcg two days before and day before my 200mg of cypionate. I would like to switch to a lower dose and shoot every 3 days. My question is when would I take my hcg? and would i shoot every 3 days or pick two days during the week and stay with those daysā¦I apologize if this has been answered I did look through some previous posts and was unable to find anything
Thanks everyone[/quote]
Itās not huge science, just split your doses. Do your total weekly hcg split into 4 doses for the week - for me thatās 250iu e2d. And your 200mg of t-cyp say in two 100mg shots e3d (I know you said 3, but two is easier to manage. Some days the two shots will overlap, itās fine. USe calendaring software like google calendar to set your reminders and track what and when.
[quote]KSman wrote:
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TRT: Protocol for Injections
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100mg test cypionate or ethanate injected per week with two or more injections
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250iu hCG SC EOD [every other day]
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1.0mg Arimidex/anastrozole per week in divided doses.
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What would be the dosing and frequency be of hcg and anastrozole when useing 1000 mg Testoterone undecanoate ?
hCG dose has nothing to do with T dose, when you are shutdown, that is all that matters. As for AI, you need a more when serum T levels are high. So the answer with this ester will depend on your lab results. With infrequent dosing, the T peaks and troughs make AI dosing impossible to get right.
Amazing thread!!! I have been on t for a while and my doctor never mentioned anything thing to me. It was get your shot and be done. I have found places online to purchase hCG and an AI but im wondering if it would be more cost effective to go to on of those anti aging places = (
Those places are where people go to get ripped off when they canāt get help elsewhere. There are some exceptions. Many will over over-prescribe and most sell you the drugs at a high markup. You want to get scripts in-hand.
An enthusiastic GP is always your best bet. Not an endo or uro with an entitlement attitude whereby they do not need to learn anything new.
Iām reading that Adex lowers igf-1? any insight on this?
Product Effect on igf-1 percentage
Femara/Letrozole increases igf-1 24%
Arimidex/Amastrozole decreases igf-1 18%
For Ksman this wouldnāt matter so much cause he is on hgh and had low igf-1 Iām wondering if this is the reason why igf-1 was low?
So is your data for women seeking E2ā>0? If so what has that got to do with men seeking normal E2=22?
Are the stats that you list for pre or post menopausal women? Are the effects from the drug or from the the low estrogens. If premenopausal, are the effects from the pituitary reacting to low E2? Does low E2 alter pituitary functions and thus GH? Does low E2 alter the livers ability to release IGF-1 in response to GH?
Do you have data for males on TRT? Body builders seeking BF<10% and very low E2 are not acceptable.
[quote]KSman wrote:
So is your data for women seeking E2ā>E2? If so what has that got to do with men seeking normal E2=22?
Are the stats that you list for pre or post menopausal women? Are the effects from the drug or from the the low estrogens. If premenopausal, are the effects from the pituitary reacting to low E2? Does low E2 alter pituitary functions and thus GH? Does low E2 alter the livers ability to release IGF-1 in response to GH?
Do you have data for males on TRT? Body builders seeking BF<10% and very low E2 are not acceptable.[/quote]
I will try and find the site i was on. It was a question thatās all.
[quote]iw84aces wrote:
[quote]KSman wrote:
So is your data for women seeking E2ā>E2? If so what has that got to do with men seeking normal E2=22?
Are the stats that you list for pre or post menopausal women? Are the effects from the drug or from the the low estrogens. If premenopausal, are the effects from the pituitary reacting to low E2? Does low E2 alter pituitary functions and thus GH? Does low E2 alter the livers ability to release IGF-1 in response to GH?
Do you have data for males on TRT? Body builders seeking BF<10% and very low E2 are not acceptable.[/quote]
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/7/2370.full
Here is one of them. Although they do say it lowers igf-1 it appears that didnāt have an effect on GH levels which would be odd wouldnāt it? I had another one that i was reading but I canāt seem to find itā¦ Iāll edit it in when i doā¦Do you really want me to answer those questions?
I donāt have the answers thatās why Iām here 
I have seen research papers indicating that anastrozole increase IGF-1 levels. So there may be mixed signals. There is data that Nolvadex lowers IGF-1 and the bro-science guys may be confusing these.
GHā>IGF-1 via processes in the liver, so liver function can create the disconnect that you noted.
We know that TRT can improve GH levels. We know that E2 can lower T. We know that anastrozole can lower T and increase T. So there is a pattern there for the intact HPTA. Most guys here do not have an intact HPTA. Hard to make generalizations without proper context.
So with having a fatty liver and pancreas If one were to test IGF-1 is it possible that GH levels could still be low if the liver is not functioning optimally?
If GH is low, IGF-1 will be low. If GH is OK, IGF-1 could be, in theory, a bit lower than expected. In my case, my IGF-1 response to GH injections is very good. So there is probably room for the opposite to happen. We should not get too case specific here and we are getting off-topic for this sticky. But this sticky is a poster child for messed up.
Guts guys not sure if this is in the right section. Iv recently start HRT. My Endo put me on Nebido 3 weeks ago. Iv been injecting 250iu Ovidrel eod and taking .25mg Arimidex also eod. Recently had some blood work done and my lh came back very low. I was under the impression that the Ovidrel was there to keep my LH in the normal ranges. Iv been injecting it SQ.
[quote]PaulyS wrote:
Guts guys not sure if this is in the right section. Iv recently start HRT. My Endo put me on Nebido 3 weeks ago. Iv been injecting 250iu Ovidrel eod and taking .25mg Arimidex also eod. Recently had some blood work done and my lh came back very low. I was under the impression that the Ovidrel was there to keep my LH in the normal ranges. Iv been injecting it SQ. [/quote]
It acts as lh that and testosterone will shut down lh an fsh.
It is normal to see lf and fsh shut down while on trt.
This is a sticky ksman asks not to place personal info in the stickys, please make your own thread.
Thanks, will do.
Hmm, wouldnāt it be better to start without an ai until one has bloodwork/symptoms to prove that itās needed. Most people on other forums donāt seem to need an ai on 100mgs per week.