What I dont get is: if I have to shoot daily because my body excretes it in one or two days how is it that I have to wait so much to feel results?
Youāre not going to get concrete answers on anything because everyone responds to TRT differently. Itās going to take 1 year and beyond for muscle and bone strength, sexual function and libido are no guarantee but this is very individual.
If you suffer from depression and/or anxiety and itās not the result of low testosterone, understand TRT isnāt a panacea and doesnāt cure all symptoms in everyone.
Again everyone responds to TRT differently, and will be determined by androgen receptor sensitivity and any other medical conditions.
Why do you think waiting 3 months is a long time to resolve issues?
You need to stop worrying about it not working straight away and be patient.
Stick to the 30mg a day for another 2 months and get bloods to see if the test is bunk and where you sit. 90 percent of members here have had to stick to their protocol for at least 8 weeks to be able to notice anything.
There is no such thing as an overnight success it takes time, patience and hard work to achieve anything in life.
Is there a way to test your gear other than injecting it?
Ok, so I went to another endocrinologist and told him the whole story and showed him the results, basically my numbers of free T have not changed after using 200mg/ every two weeks and neither after using 200mg/week. So we both agreed that the treatment was not working.
He decided to send me nebido and told me its an injection given every 3 months that mantains t levels much more stable.
I dont think he knows much about SHBG because I live in South America and nobody knowa much about the topic.
So considering I have a SHBG of 15 pre trt, 10pg/ml free T, would nebido be a reasonable solution??
Thank yoy
I havenāt read all of your thread so forgive me if youāve tried this.
Have you tried more frequent injections though? Daily or every other day. More frequent injections would make more sense to me than less.
I have barely heard a positive story about nebido so Iād be hesitant to go that route. I would try a higher dose and more frequent injections if thatās what it takes.
You are probably a hyper excreter and metabolize T quickly and need very frequent injections, itās as simply as that if using anything other than nebido. I never expected an every 2 weeks injection protocol to work, it does work for a very small percentage of men.
I would have from day one directed you to inject daily or EOD given your non-response to TRT. Nebido is the least effective option because it can take months to reach homeostasis and for some it never occurs.
The treatment works, the doctor just is inexperience is all.
Ok perfect I will do that. Is 15mg a day an ok dosage? Will I need AI? How can I keep fertility?
Thatās a pretty good starting point, you might need less or you might need more, time will tell. No AI, adjust your dosage up or down, but leave the AI out.
As for fertility that is an unknown, we can cross that bridge when we come to it. HCG and FSH can be used for fertility, clomid as well.
A member just yesterday reported stopping TRT and going on clomid restoring his fertility and had a child. This case is typical.
Iād be surprised if that is enough but there are certainly people where it isā¦ my concern is youāre already concerned with your levels staying so low, it seems like a higher dose would be a good idea in this case.
Regardless, no one can tell you for sure. Youāre going to have to pick something reasonable and go with it. I would do 20mg/day personally.
Would taking clomid along with trt help to keep fertility while I try to get with what works on me?
Also I have the possibility of doing Ed injections with propionate or enanhatate, which would be better?
Donāt touch an ai man. You need more T. Please listen to the folks here with some experience.
Over and over again itās clarified you have a high SHBG.
Meaning your body is not producing allot of hormones from the injections.
You should stop worrying about this high estrogen stuff.
Honestly if I were you my next step would be scrotal cream from medquest.
Your levels will equally hit 20+ and estrogen will most likely also increase without using flow than 3 clicks twice daily.
Itās sad you donāt have a doctor who cannot guide you as the men here are trying.
Donāt worry about fertility until itās needed: then and only then do you need to start HCG. Maybe add more if it doesnāt work. Otherwise not needed. You are not maintaining anything that needs to be maintained.
Oh my god sorry I should of realized you are in Australia right!
Dude donāt touch an every 3 month nebido. You need to get on YouTube and find the other Australian who discusses this topic in detail.
You need to get the word out on this forum
And ask others if they know of a good doctor
In your area.
Also contact david lee he is in Australia and Iāll send him this post for you. Check him out on YouTube with Steven devos the lifting dermatologist
No, you more than likely wonāt be able to deal with the side effects on clomid long term.
I donāt know, maybe, but not the propionate.
Isnt there a possibilty that after using trt for a long period of time I become not fertil forever?
What ester do you rwcommend for every day injections?
No it isnāt a worry. Plenty of doctors and guys on TRT donāt take HCG until they need it and have had zero issues getting their woman pregnant. Diff story If you have fertility issues before Trt. HCG isnāt going to really help much but bring you to baseline.
HCG also doesnāt suit most men. So donāt make yourself feel like junk using it when you donāt need it. If anything you lower the odds of getting someone pregnant accidentally.
If having issues with aromatization, try enanthate.
I dont know if I have, is propionate a bad idea?