I know an entire group of folks who say this. Doesn’t it make sense? I mean if someone came to me and I was a doctor. I would want to fix them up. Why would I start them at a dose that works for 1% of men out there? My patient would spend months trying to stabilize dose and increase over and over again. I personally would feel bad. He’s dealt with low t all this time and now I’m going to make him wait months or a year by starting him at a baby dose.
A doctor who does this doesn’t care to resolve symptoms nor optimize their patient. He’s in it for the money. The doctor is not thinking about symptom resolution. How many guys here’s doctors ask about their summons on follow up? I bet most just look at labs and say “numbers are good”. Instead of the how do you feel approach.
We also have to realize that T is what gives us health and longevity from Overall physical and mental well being. For example T is cardio protective and benefits is by allowing the body to hold muscle and bone density.
With this realized the goal should be to take enough t so that I benefit from all of these. After all T doesn’t kill us. It’s the underlying issues that are amplified and not caught by the patient and doctor.
This is why I take melatonin , vitamin d, dhea and Preg.
If I am relegated to TRT why would I settle for less when I have the fountain of health in reach.
The reason is because most doctors don’t research T and are just trying to make a buck form it. They don’t care to realize how vital T is to mens health. It’s taboo. Take too much and it’s abuse. Take too much and you’ll die of a heart attack or stroke.
You get the idea 
Still makes more sense to me to slowly increase rather that go too high and decrease. I’m going to take it forever, so I don’t mind taking a few quarters to figure it out. 100mg/week is well more than my body was producing naturally. I’ll send you $1 in the mail if my blood comes back with less testosterone due to 100mg/week.
If the doctor gave me the option to start at 200 and drop or 100 and increase, I would have asked to start low and increase. Why start high and potentially magnify negative side effects for no reason?
It’s not, actually. There’s a pretty big difference between esterified synthetic and naturally produced.
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How much was my body producing before?
Looks like I have another $1 bet taker on my hands…anyone else want to bet $1 that my labs will come back lower on 100mg/week!?
I have no idea what your labs were before, and that is not actually relevant. Use your brain a little. If you had normal natural production levels you wouldn’t be on TRT. Test Prop would be closer to natural production amounts, but still not the same. If it was all the same, my labs on 185mg a week would come in way over range instead of under the top end of range.
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My labs are at the start of this thread genius
And if I really cared to check I would, it doesn’t really matter. And genius is a term applied relative to IQ, and technically I am.
You are a genius but use the word “technically” to qualify the word. You are a moron.
If my labs come back lower that what I produced naturally I’ll send you $1,000,000…you can get an education for your Mensa mind
Interesting you didn’t “reply” to me with that clever dig. You don’t understand ester weights, fine. I don’t think that you claimed to be a chemist, or very bright. I pointed out a strawman argument which leads to people being misinformed. I am also on record as being in the “Start at 100mg and titrate up” camp, and that you should use the lowest effective dose and the fewest drugs possible in general. Comparing naturally produced test to esterified testosterone is not a useful or intelligent comparison. It makes you sound stupid to make the comparison. I started off polite, you are the one being a dickhead here.
You told me to “use my brain” asshole.
And I was defending my position on gradually increasing to another person on this thread before you joined without reading and told me my test numbers won’t increase. You’re an asshole who joined a conversation without reading anything.
A well thought out and relevant response.
Thank you so much for taking the time, I appreciate it.
No, I didn’t. I pointed out that esterified is not 1:1 for naturally produced, which it isn’t, and 100mg of esterified is not going to put you aboove normal natural production in most cases. Don’t be dragging your bile from the other argument into what I am saying. I just pointed out a flaw in your argument, which is a big one. You don’t win a lot of arguments, do you?
My labs aren’t relevant I’m regards to figuring out if taking 100mg/week will increase or decrease my test? How else shall we quantify my progress?
I said that 100mg will be more than what my body was naturally producing…your literal response was “no it’s not” scroll up…you told me that 100mg is not as much as my body was normally producing, without reading my labs. How did you come to this conclusion. This is why I responded with my $1 bet… you’re a fucking idiot
I never said the ester is 1:1 I said that 100mg/week was more than my body was producing…how are you a genius again? Also included in this thread is a video a posted that speaks specifically to ester vs natural…which is why I made the statement in the first place
Look at your first post you fucking idiot. I said my natural production was <100mg/week equivalent. I’ve got you, a fucking moron telling me my test won’t increase on 100mg because for some reason you assumed I was trying to calculate ester vs natural. I included a video with this calculation. and another fuckwit on here telling me I’m not on a “mans amount of test” you both are fucking stupid.
This forum is a complete waste of time.
Fuck you all.
I’m out