[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]MickD wrote:
No one is letting the police act as if they are above the law. The five officers in the video you posted were fired as a result of their actions. They crossed the line. The crazy guy in the car got a 20 year sentence pleading down attempted murder to aggravated assault.
I don’t agree that the video you posted is similar to the one that the OP posted.
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I cannot believe that was plead down to Agg Assault. If aiming your speeding vehicle at someone is not attempted murder, what the fuck is? They must have made a decision that they were happy with a 20 year sentence (very severe for an Agg Assault) rather than risk not guilty of an attempted murder, a finding of guilty on Agg Assault and a less severe sentence.
As for the cops that lost their job, they deserved to. But I certainly understand why they whipped that ass and I’d have done the same. They just watched that cocksucker aim his car at another LEO.
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I don’t know about most people, but I have yet to meet anyone that can jump in front of a moving vehicle and stop it. He shouldn’t have put himself in the road.
Coming from a (former/current?) bouncer/bodyguard, I would think you’d have a better understanding of not hitting people when they’re not coherent, let alone unconscious.
When citizens do shit like this, they can go to jail for it. With video technology nowadays Police officers should know better to keep their cool.
I’ve said this before, Police have to be held to a higher standard.[/quote]
Alright, let me say something first. Enough with the “bouncer” thing. It makes it seem like my entire life’s work was being some “doorman”. I bounced for shits and giggles, and most recently to help a friend and I promptly stopped when I decided he didn’t really want to be helped.
As a former bodyguard, I am perfectly acquainted with the force continuum. And as I said in one of my posts, I am on the fence about what I saw. You say the vehicle was pinned. That does not mean that with a bit more effort, that vehicle could not have come free and if it did, that’s a very dangerous situation. A 2500 object does not need to be hurtling down a highway to inflict serious injury or death.
When shit is going down, it happens fast. It’s easy for us to sit here and Monday morning QB this, but it’s not easy when you’re in the situation. (I can’t believe you have me here defending LE). I did allow that I am somewhat troubled by the officer striking her. He could have just as easily grabbed her hands/arms and - I said I’d have no problem with this - drag her ass right out the window.
The point is this; she has already demonstrated her will to be “non-compliant” and resist arrest by fleeing to the point where a pit maneuver (dangerous in and of itself) was required to effectuate the stop. You’re presuming her efforts to resist would end there. I say an officer has no such assurance and to assume so will one day end an officer’s life. In fact, she was non-compliant to orders until she was struck 3 times. This means her resistance did not end with the stop. It ended when she was struck. The question of course, is whether that was reasonable and legal force. The DA already said he saw nothing there to prosecute criminally. The Department may have another view, but that would be more a training issue, with possible suspension or reprimand.
As for your comments about the other officer putting himself in the road, I think you’re way way way off base. Someone driving erratically and fleeing the police is a life threatening hazard to every innocent driver on the road. At some point, a decision has to be made to let them flee (depending on crime committed and department rules of engagement) or, attempt to effectuate a stop. The officer in question was putting spike strips in the roadway (which would have effectuated the stop with the least risk to everyone involved, including innocent drivers). The asshole fleeing, quite clearly and purposefully swerved toward the officer in what can only be described as an attempt to kill him (what else would you describe aiming your speeding vehicle at someone?).
If I witnessed that, all bets, all rules of engagement, any decency on my part is out the fucking window. Since you liked to refer to me as some “bouncer”, I’ll put my feelings in that venue. You can fight anyone in the club you want. When I arrive, and I grab you, your fight better be finished. If your fight is finished, I will respectfully walk you to the door, tell you to have a nice evening, and if you didn’t really tear you ass in the establishment, tell you that you’re welcome back next week. If, however, you hit me or one of my bouncers, you’re going to take a fucking beating. If you pulled a gun or a knife, you’re going to the hospital, if you don’t get shot first.
If you tried to shoot me or my coworker and missed, you’re going to the fucking hospital. Now I ask you, what is the difference between aiming your speeding vehicle at someone and trying to shoot someone? Let me answer that for you. There is NO difference. Ass whooping WILL follow. I don’t care if the guy was ejected from the vehicle and LOST HIS ARM IN THE PROCESS. Because, I’d pick his bloody arm up, and I’d use it to beat him. Then I’d throw it down the nearest sewer.
The only mistake these officers in the Alabama video made was not angling their vehicles, and hence their cameras, away from the action. If anyone ever deserved a beating, it was that cocksucker.