[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Here we go and still no time. As has been said all three persons of the Godhead are equally God, but yes there are roles and relations as well. Gotta go.[/quote]
Can you explain these roles and where i can get more information on it?[/quote]I am certainly not the only person qualified to do so. This is one area my catholic friends should be pretty good. You’re gonna have to give me some time. You are about the most agreeable chap around here. I think I told you that before. I’ll feel remiss if I don’t give it a shot. This is admittedly a difficult topic which is swimming in anthropomorhic/pathic language.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Here we go and still no time. As has been said all three persons of the Godhead are equally God, but yes there are roles and relations as well. Gotta go.[/quote]
Can you explain these roles and where i can get more information on it?[/quote]
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Here we go and still no time. As has been said all three persons of the Godhead are equally God, but yes there are roles and relations as well. Gotta go.[/quote]
Can you explain these roles and where i can get more information on it?[/quote]
May I ask if you believe in the trinity already?[/quote]
Yes I do believe in the Trinity as I believe there are multiple verses showing Christ’s divinity. I was just wondering if any believer of the Trinity also believes in subordination within it, and if this subordination was temporary or eternal.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Here we go and still no time. As has been said all three persons of the Godhead are equally God, but yes there are roles and relations as well. Gotta go.[/quote]
Can you explain these roles and where i can get more information on it?[/quote]
May I ask if you believe in the trinity already?[/quote]I would be interested to know this as well. One thing I gotta say for you JW’s is you guys are makin good gains =] Lookin pretty meaty there dude.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Here we go and still no time. As has been said all three persons of the Godhead are equally God, but yes there are roles and relations as well. Gotta go.[/quote]
Can you explain these roles and where i can get more information on it?[/quote]
May I ask if you believe in the trinity already?[/quote]I would be interested to know this as well. One thing I gotta say for you JW’s is you guys are makin good gains =] Lookin pretty meaty there dude.
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The trinity is another great example of how people can be 100% sincere, yet using the same bible their faith leads them to contradictory conclusions about the very nature of their god. You’d think something as basic as the identity of the being you worship would at least generate consensus, but even on this basic point there are huge differences in beliefs.
Some believe god, Jesus, and the holy spirit are separate beings, but are united in purpose. Others insist they are different manifestations of the same supernatural being. Some claim the biblical god is without body, parts, or passions, while others firmly assert that god the father and Jesus have physical bodies, but the holy spirit does not.
Obviously, faith says nothing about facts, even when people place their faith in the same holy book.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Here we go and still no time. As has been said all three persons of the Godhead are equally God, but yes there are roles and relations as well. Gotta go.[/quote]
Can you explain these roles and where i can get more information on it?[/quote]
May I ask if you believe in the trinity already?[/quote]I would be interested to know this as well. One thing I gotta say for you JW’s is you guys are makin good gains =] Lookin pretty meaty there dude.
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You are always a class act man, thanks a lot Lots of Metabolic Drive and coconut milk (order it by the case, cheaper )
[quote]forlife wrote:
The trinity is another great example of how people can be 100% sincere, yet using the same bible their faith leads them to contradictory conclusions about the very nature of their god. You’d think something as basic as the identity of the being you worship would at least generate consensus, but even on this basic point there are huge differences in beliefs.
Some believe god, Jesus, and the holy spirit are separate beings, but are united in purpose. Others insist they are different manifestations of the same supernatural being. Some claim the biblical god is without body, parts, or passions, while others firmly assert that god the father and Jesus have physical bodies, but the holy spirit does not.
Obviously, faith says nothing about facts, even when people place their faith in the same holy book. [/quote]
Here’s some facts. Only heteros can reproduce, raising their OWN children with BOTH parents in the SAME household. Obviously, the smallest unit of this relationship would be 1 male and 1 female. Homosexuals are no more capable of this than non-intimate friends. But, still, at least non-intimate friends of opposite sex provide the reproductive model. The homosexual couple doesn’t even provide that much.
Perhaps homosexuals could be first in line to clone one of the “partners,” true. Of course, by that time, if many of them are correct, and homosexuality is the result of a lack of choice due to hormonal or genetic factors, science will probably have led to prenatal screening and correcting of homosexuality.
Just figured if we’re out to kick hornet nests, I’d join in.
[quote]forlife wrote:
The trinity is another great example of how people can be 100% sincere, yet using the same bible their faith leads them to contradictory conclusions about the very nature of their god. You’d think something as basic as the identity of the being you worship would at least generate consensus, but even on this basic point there are huge differences in beliefs.
Some believe god, Jesus, and the holy spirit are separate beings, but are united in purpose. Others insist they are different manifestations of the same supernatural being. Some claim the biblical god is without body, parts, or passions, while others firmly assert that god the father and Jesus have physical bodies, but the holy spirit does not.
Obviously, faith says nothing about facts, even when people place their faith in the same holy book. [/quote]
Yeah, but all those other positions are illogical positions, and the JW don’t use the same manuscript.
I would read those two (second link first as it is shorter and not an actual book, but quotes from the Fathers), plus whatever I write on here.
On Roles:
I’m not sure in what way you mean by roles, but all roles are assigned to God and all persons were apart of those roles.
There has been a movement in some protestant churches connected with the feminist movement to baptize people in the name of the Creator, and of the Redeemer, and of the Sanctifier, OR Creator, and of the Liberator, and of the Sustainer. This is incorrect of course as we can see in Matt 28:19 that the correct manner in which to do this is “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Ghost).”
If you can kind of clear up what you mean by roles, maybe you are thinking of something different. That I’m not seeing, or something. But either way, here ya go.
[quote]forlife wrote:
The trinity is another great example of how people can be 100% sincere, yet using the same bible their faith leads them to contradictory conclusions about the very nature of their god. You’d think something as basic as the identity of the being you worship would at least generate consensus, but even on this basic point there are huge differences in beliefs.
Some believe god, Jesus, and the holy spirit are separate beings, but are united in purpose. Others insist they are different manifestations of the same supernatural being. Some claim the biblical god is without body, parts, or passions, while others firmly assert that god the father and Jesus have physical bodies, but the holy spirit does not.
Obviously, faith says nothing about facts, even when people place their faith in the same holy book. [/quote]
Here’s some facts. Only heteros can reproduce, raising their OWN children with BOTH parents in the SAME household. Obviously, the smallest unit of this relationship would be 1 male and 1 female. Homosexuals are no more capable of this than non-intimate friends. But, still, at least non-intimate friends of opposite sex provide the reproductive model. The homosexual couple doesn’t even provide that much.
Perhaps homosexuals could be first in line to clone one of the “partners,” true. Of course, by that time, if many of them are correct, and homosexuality is the result of a lack of choice due to hormonal or genetic factors, science will probably have led to prenatal screening and correcting of homosexuality.
Just figured if we’re out to kick hornet nests, I’d join in.[/quote]
I would read those two (second link first as it is shorter and not an actual book, but quotes from the Fathers), plus whatever I write on here.
On Roles:
I’m not sure in what way you mean by roles, but all roles are assigned to God and all persons were apart of those roles.
There has been a movement in some protestant churches connected with the feminist movement to baptize people in the name of the Creator, and of the Redeemer, and of the Sanctifier, OR Creator, and of the Liberator, and of the Sustainer. This is incorrect of course as we can see in Matt 28:19 that the correct manner in which to do this is “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Ghost).”
If you can kind of clear up what you mean by roles, maybe you are thinking of something different. That I’m not seeing, or something. But either way, here ya go.
[quote]forlife wrote:
The trinity is another great example of how people can be 100% sincere, yet using the same bible their faith leads them to contradictory conclusions about the very nature of their god. You’d think something as basic as the identity of the being you worship would at least generate consensus, but even on this basic point there are huge differences in beliefs.
Some believe god, Jesus, and the holy spirit are separate beings, but are united in purpose. Others insist they are different manifestations of the same supernatural being. Some claim the biblical god is without body, parts, or passions, while others firmly assert that god the father and Jesus have physical bodies, but the holy spirit does not.
Obviously, faith says nothing about facts, even when people place their faith in the same holy book. [/quote]
Yeah, but all those other positions are illogical positions, and the JW don’t use the same manuscript. [/quote]
I’m not sure in what way you mean by roles, but all roles are assigned to God and all persons were apart of those roles. >>>
There has been a movement in some protestant churches connected with the feminist movement to baptize people in the name of the Creator, and of the Redeemer, and of the Sanctifier, OR Creator, and of the Liberator, and of the Sustainer. This is incorrect of course as we can see in Matt 28:19 that the correct manner in which to do this is “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Ghost).”
If you can kind of clear up what you mean by roles, maybe you are thinking of something different. That I’m not seeing, or something. But either way, here ya go. >>>[/quote]You have no idea how good it feels to not have to disagree with you about something. Of course Father, Son and Holy Spirit is the God ordained designations of Himself though I do not believe God is either male or female or more properly, I do believe He is both. Male and female together complete the image of God in man(kind), big topic. He does however refer to himself in the masculine, therefore so do I.
You are also correct in that all 3 persons do participate in all roles and functions. I haven’t looked at these specific links yet, but for all the RCC’s bizarre eye crossing theology, Rome’s basic doctrine of God (theology proper) is tough to find fault with.
[quote]forlife wrote:
<<< Obviously, faith says nothing about facts, even when people place their faith in the same holy book. [/quote]This man is powerless over “Christian” threads and his posting has become unmanageable. He cannot help himself.
“Hi my name’s forlife and I’m a gospelholic. One thread’s too many and 1000 not enough. PLEASE LORD JESUS DELIVER ME” Oops wait =]
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Here we go and still no time. As has been said all three persons of the Godhead are equally God, but yes there are roles and relations as well. Gotta go.[/quote]
Can you explain these roles and where i can get more information on it?[/quote]
May I ask if you believe in the trinity already?[/quote]
Yes I do believe in the Trinity as I believe there are multiple verses showing Christ’s divinity. I was just wondering if any believer of the Trinity also believes in subordination within it, and if this subordination was temporary or eternal.[/quote]
That youtube channel I told you about also has some great videos on the trinity yet I do not know if he goes over the roles of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
[quote]forlife wrote:
The trinity is another great example of how people can be 100% sincere, yet using the same bible their faith leads them to contradictory conclusions about the very nature of their god. You’d think something as basic as the identity of the being you worship would at least generate consensus, but even on this basic point there are huge differences in beliefs.
Some believe god, Jesus, and the holy spirit are separate beings, but are united in purpose. Others insist they are different manifestations of the same supernatural being. Some claim the biblical god is without body, parts, or passions, while others firmly assert that god the father and Jesus have physical bodies, but the holy spirit does not.
Obviously, faith says nothing about facts, even when people place their faith in the same holy book. [/quote]
Yeah, but all those other positions are illogical positions, and the JW don’t use the same manuscript. [/quote]
[quote]forlife wrote:
<<< Obviously, faith says nothing about facts, even when people place their faith in the same holy book. [/quote]This man is powerless over “Christian” threads and his posting has become unmanageable. He cannot help himself.
“Hi my name’s forlife and I’m a gospelholic. One thread’s too many and 1000 not enough. PLEASE LORD JESUS DELIVER ME” Oops wait =]
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Very funny stuff Trib.
I have a theory about forlife. He insists that there is no God, but if there were no God, as he says, why does he spend so many hours trying convince the rest of us of this alleged fact? Can’t he just be happy knowing that he knows the truth and the rest of us are just blind? No, what he really wants is to convince himself that there is no God (for various reasons) and he tries to do so every time he posts in a spiritually based thread.
[quote]forlife wrote:
The trinity is another great example of how people can be 100% sincere, yet using the same bible their faith leads them to contradictory conclusions about the very nature of their god. You’d think something as basic as the identity of the being you worship would at least generate consensus, but even on this basic point there are huge differences in beliefs.
Some believe god, Jesus, and the holy spirit are separate beings, but are united in purpose. Others insist they are different manifestations of the same supernatural being. Some claim the biblical god is without body, parts, or passions, while others firmly assert that god the father and Jesus have physical bodies, but the holy spirit does not.
Obviously, faith says nothing about facts, even when people place their faith in the same holy book. [/quote]
Yeah, but all those other positions are illogical positions, and the JW don’t use the same manuscript. [/quote]
What do you mean?[/quote]
Our manuscripts (a.k.a. bible) are not the same.[/quote]
Up until the 1950’s we used the King James Version of the Bible. Then we wanted to put Jehovah’s name back in the Bible where it belonged, and move from Old English to modern english. Therefore, the New World’s Translation of the Holy Scriptures came into existence, viewed among scholars as one of the most accurate translations around.
A 2003 study by Jason BeDuhn, associate professor of religious studies at Northern Arizona University in the United States, of nine of “the Bibles most widely in use in the English-speaking world,” including the New American Bible, The King James Bible and The New International Version, examined several passages that are considered controversial, where “bias is most likely to interfere with translation”. For each passage, he compared the Greek text with the renderings of each English translation, and looked for biased attempts to change the meaning. BeDuhn reported that the New World Translation was “not bias free”, but emerged “as the most accurate of the translations compared”, and thus a “remarkably good translation”, adding that “most of the differences are due to the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal, conservative translation”. BeDuhn said the introduction of the name “Jehovah” into the New Testament 237 times was “not accurate translation by the most basic principle of accuracy”, and that it “violate[s] accuracy in favor of denominationally preferred expressions for God”, adding that for the NWT to gain wider acceptance and prove its worth its translators might have to abandon the use of “Jehovah” in the New Testament.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia says of the NWT reference edition: “[Jehovah’s Witnesses’] translation of the Bible [has] an impressive critical apparatus. The work is excellent except when scientific knowledge comes into conflict with the accepted doctrines of the movement.” It criticizes the NWT’s rendering of Kyrios as “Jehovah” in 237 instances in the New Testament, the rendering “means” instead of “is” in Matthew 26:26, and the insertion of “other” at Colossians 1:16-17.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
<<< No, what he really wants is to convince himself that there is no God (for various reasons) and he tries to do so every time he posts in a spiritually based thread.[/quote]Romans 1 Zeb. God has made Himself abundantly, unavoidably and universally manifest in every particle of creation. And not just any ol God either, but THEE God of all creation and He who is both just and the justifier of them that believe.
Romans 1:18-22 (about the 10th time, but I never get tired of it.)[quote] 18-For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19-because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20-For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
21-For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22-Professing to be wise, they became fools, >>>[/quote] There is no such thing as an atheist regardless of how loud or reasoned the objections.
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