Who uses it? And what do you use it for? general health? or “strength/power”? how exactly does it wrk?
Not sure what the exact benefit of this is supposed to be. conflicting info on the web.
It’s in Plazma. So Ya I use I it
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
It’s in Plazma. So Ya I use I it[/quote]
Ditto, there’s a lot of betaine and citrulline in Plazma as well (I think after you subtract all the other ingredients, you’re left with around 12 grams for the prop betaine and citrulline blend, which is excellent dosing of these ingredients no matter how you slice and dice it).
[quote]kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
It’s in Plazma. So Ya I use I it[/quote]
Ditto, there’s a lot of betaine and citrulline in Plazma as well (I think after you subtract all the other ingredients, you’re left with around 12 grams for the prop betaine and citrulline blend, which is excellent dosing of these ingredients no matter how you slice and dice it).[/quote]
How did you figure this out? Have you confirmed it with customer service or anything? I’m asking because I was curious as to the amounts and when I started a thread in Biotest supplements section they referred me to customer service which I never got around to calling.
[quote]as wrote:
[quote]kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
It’s in Plazma. So Ya I use I it[/quote]
Ditto, there’s a lot of betaine and citrulline in Plazma as well (I think after you subtract all the other ingredients, you’re left with around 12 grams for the prop betaine and citrulline blend, which is excellent dosing of these ingredients no matter how you slice and dice it).[/quote]
How did you figure this out? Have you confirmed it with customer service or anything? I’m asking because I was curious as to the amounts and when I started a thread in Biotest supplements section they referred me to customer service which I never got around to calling.[/quote]
65 gram serving size
65 - 38 grams of carbs (carbs are counted as both actual carbs as well as whatever trace non-definable content) ='s 27 grams
27 grams - 15 grams of protein ='s 12 grams
12 grams - 661 mg’s of minerals and what not ='s 11.35 or so grams leftover in which there’s only two ingredients left not accounted for (citrulline malate and betaine anhydrous)
The whole thing is a prop blend though so they are not going to tell you the ratio of citrulline malate to betaine anhydrous but the rest of the stuff you can figure out from the label. End of the day though, they are definitely not skimping on any of the good stuff.
Remember, they did not flavour the stuff so everything in the product are active ingredients.
Btw, you only really need around 2.5-3 grams of betaine anhydrous to be efficacious. Too much of it could upset your stomach. Citrulline malate is efficacious at around 6-8 grams. So you can tell that having 11.35 grams to play around with for those two ingredients would give you excellent doses of each regardless of what the ratios are going to be.
[quote]kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]as wrote:
[quote]kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
It’s in Plazma. So Ya I use I it[/quote]
Ditto, there’s a lot of betaine and citrulline in Plazma as well (I think after you subtract all the other ingredients, you’re left with around 12 grams for the prop betaine and citrulline blend, which is excellent dosing of these ingredients no matter how you slice and dice it).[/quote]
How did you figure this out? Have you confirmed it with customer service or anything? I’m asking because I was curious as to the amounts and when I started a thread in Biotest supplements section they referred me to customer service which I never got around to calling.[/quote]
65 gram serving size
65 - 38 grams of carbs (carbs are counted as both actual carbs as well as whatever trace non-definable content) ='s 27 grams
27 grams - 15 grams of protein ='s 12 grams
12 grams - 661 mg’s of minerals and what not ='s 11.35 or so grams leftover in which there’s only two ingredients left not accounted for (citrulline malate and betaine anhydrous)
The whole thing is a prop blend though so they are not going to tell you the ratio of citrulline malate to betaine anhydrous but the rest of the stuff you can figure out from the label. End of the day though, they are definitely not skimping on any of the good stuff.
Remember, they did not flavour the stuff so everything in the product are active ingredients.[/quote]
Wow that was an impressive calculation yet so simple lol. That sounds like a lot of active ingredient though. I have read some info online that the required amounts for the citrulline and betaine to work is around 3 grms each.
I purchased a product recently with both of those ingredients in it because I’m cutting right now and it was carb free.
I take 3-4 grms preworkout but it really doesnt do a lot. No comaparison to Plazma but not sure if it’s the carbs or the low dose compared to Plazama. I will increase the dose substantially and see what happens.
Maybe just go back to Plazma and cut carbs elswhere. I always have much better workouts with simple carbs preworkout anyway. Workouts have been suffering noticeably without the Plazma. Thanks for you reply.
[quote]as wrote:
Wow that was an impressive calculation yet so simple lol. That sounds like a lot of active ingredient though. I have read some info online that the required amounts for the citrulline and betaine to work is around 3 grms each.
I purchased a product recently with both of those ingredients in it because I’m cutting right now and it was carb free.
I take 3-4 grms preworkout but it really doesnt do a lot. No comaparison to Plazma but not sure if it’s the carbs or the low dose compared to Plazama. I will increase the dose substantially and see what happens.
Maybe just go back to Plazma and cut carbs elswhere. I always have much better workouts with simple carbs preworkout anyway. Workouts have been suffering noticeably without the Plazma. Thanks for you reply.[/quote]
There are a lot of active ingredients in the product but it’s also a very large scoop size relative to the number of ingredients, which makes the product very well dosed in everything. Take casein hydrolysate for instance. That is the most expensive ingredient in the product. A lot of other peri-workout nutrition products would give you 5 grams of casein hydrolysate and that would be considered generous, here they are giving you 15 grams.
Same goes for the carbs, the two carb sources in the product are both premium carbs, you’re getting around 38 grams here, other competing products you would get 20 grams of HBCD per 2 servings in a 30 servings tub, that would be considered generous. Just the dosing on premium carbs and the casein hydrolysate makes this product very appealing and fairly priced.
[quote]kissdadookie wrote:
Btw, you only really need around 2.5-3 grams of betaine anhydrous to be efficacious. Too much of it could upset your stomach. Citrulline malate is efficacious at around 6-8 grams. So you can tell that having 11.35 grams to play around with for those two ingredients would give you excellent doses of each regardless of what the ratios are going to be.[/quote]
that is just for one serving though, right? if you were to having three servings (1 pre + 2 during), you would end up with 18-24 grams of citrulline malate… which seems like a huge overdose.
thanks for the reply btw
[quote]bobMartial wrote:
[quote]kissdadookie wrote:
Btw, you only really need around 2.5-3 grams of betaine anhydrous to be efficacious. Too much of it could upset your stomach. Citrulline malate is efficacious at around 6-8 grams. So you can tell that having 11.35 grams to play around with for those two ingredients would give you excellent doses of each regardless of what the ratios are going to be.[/quote]
that is just for one serving though, right? if you were to having three servings (1 pre + 2 during), you would end up with 18-24 grams of citrulline malate… which seems like a huge overdose.
thanks for the reply btw[/quote]
No problem.
Yes, per serving. Though I don’t think you can really overdose on citrulline. It’s just that what they’ve used in the studies was 6-8 grams so people just refer to the 6-8 grams as being the dose to use. Remember, these are relatively benign nutrients we are talking about here. Plus citrulline is an amino acid. Amino acids are generally safe even in very high doses.
Beta alanine for example, nobody actually knows what the optimal dose is. They’ve just always quoted 3.2 grams which is two teaspoons and nobody really knows how they came to the two teaspoons as being the dose. There’s been research IIRC on beta alanine where 6 months later with daily 3.2 grams dosing of BA STILL increased carnosine levels. So if it’s STILL increasing carnosing levels at 3.2 grams 6 months later, it’s most likely that the actual optimal dose is probably much higher than 3.2 grams of BA per day.
K thanks kissdadookie. A lot of good points. Going back to the Plazma. I need the carbs and great workouts again. Great product.
[quote]as wrote:
K thanks kissdadookie. A lot of good points. Going back to the Plazma. I need the carbs and great workouts again. Great product.[/quote]
Love Plazma. A very legitimate product. I’m definitely a believer.