[quote]kamui wrote:
Make them believe Homer was a dirty gangsta rapper. [/quote]
He could spit with the best of them.
What does a warning do to help? Will it end with “Seek trauma therapy before enlisting at this school”? Is this the same youth that post on 4chan? Maybe thats why they’re traumatized 
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
So kids read about the joys of fisting in 3rd grade then are warned about reading The Great Gatsby at university? No wonder kids are so fucked up these days.[/quote]
Yep.
A couple hundred kids (none of whom were in the third grade, according to the material you linked to last time this came up) heard someone answer a student’s question about fisting a decade and a half ago. So, logically, “kids read about the joys of fisting in 3rd grade.”[/quote]
Sorry my mistake. They were fourth graders being taught about fisting then presented with surgical gloves and KY Jelly by homosexual activists. Just a few kids - I mean what the hell. Just a few. Nothing to see here. Move along. Just ignore the man behind the curtain. Anyway, I hear they’ve really cleaned up their act in recent years…
Most kids these days are pathetic losers. My sons are 6 and 17, so I interact with many of their peers and parents of their peers and let me tell you, it’s a sad sight. I have regularly seen the younger kids having public meltdowns over what used to be standard boundaries. Similarly, I have heard my older son’s friends talking on the phone to their parents telling THEM when they’ll be home or if they can stay out, etc… These kids have never had an effective boundary set, have never been told “NO” (and actually have it reinforced without negotiating) and feel entitled to whatever their little hearts desire.
I have seen similar symptoms of this in my own children. My eldest son often tries to “negotiate” with me because, “well ALL my friends are doing it” or, “It’s 2014, Dad!”. My youngest child pitches a fit because I limit his “electronic time” (iPad, TV etc…) and actually make him read and do home work. Please note that I’M the one assigning him homework because his elementary school does not. Apparently, it’s too much for the parents to enforce so not enough kids were doing it, so they just stopped giving it… It’s fucking pathetic.
My eldest son is a very smart, savvy, high achieving individual (state champion athlete, honor roll student, eagle scout, plays two musical instruments, etc…). So I tend to give him a lot of latitude and responsibility because he has shown me he can handle it - he’s earned it. But every once in a while, I have to yank his cell phone for a week and set some boundaries because he becomes “infected” with these liberal ideas of what he “should” be able to do. He’s a good negotiator too and every so often I actually have to fall back to the old, “because I’m your FATHER and I SAID SO”. But he always respects that, cuz he knows I can whip his ass (and will if I have to).
My main worry is about my youngest son. He is being exposed to all this bullshit and liberal craziness that is far worse than it was ten years ago. He has already been sent home from school once because he pushed a boy BACK who pushed him first. It wasn’t even anything serious, just boys being boys, they are SIX… And he is a classic “boys boy”: doesn’t like to sit still, likes to run and play hard and rough - you know, like what USED to be considered normal for a boy. So the teachers already view him as a “troublemaker”. So now I have to work twice as hard with him at home, send him conflicting messages with what he’s getting at school and “de-pussify” him when he starts to exhibit that behavior.
It’s fucked up. But at least I’m aware of it and am taking action to counter it. How many parents do that? How many parents just lay down and do whatever the school tells them to do, “cuz they’re the experts”? We are looking at a generation of zero backbone kids who will be trying to compete in rapidly shrinking world on every level from politics to business to technology… We (America) are going to fall fast and hard as a result of this liberal bullshit.
Protect your kids while you still can. While you still have the “right” as a parent to determine their course.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
So kids read about the joys of fisting in 3rd grade then are warned about reading The Great Gatsby at university? No wonder kids are so fucked up these days.[/quote]
Yep.
A couple hundred kids (none of whom were in the third grade, according to the material you linked to last time this came up) heard someone answer a student’s question about fisting a decade and a half ago. So, logically, “kids read about the joys of fisting in 3rd grade.”[/quote]
Sorry my mistake. They were fourth graders being taught about fisting then presented with surgical gloves and KY Jelly by homosexual activists.[/quote]
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Cite this. 4th graders are ten. There were ten-year-olds there? Cite this with a reputable source, proving that there were children as young as ten present during the particular worksop at which fisting was mentioned.
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And then refute the fact, documented in the other thread with photographic evidence, that the gloves were for the making of dental dams, and came with instructions to that end. Because, you know, oral cancer is bad.
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And, more generally: Do you not see why people joke about your being obsessed with the weirdest kinds of gay sex? You seem unable to keep lurid bullshit like the above off your mind, and this in spite of the fact that your anecdotes include an inappropriate sex-ed workshop delivered a decade and a half ago to a hundred kids, and an inappropriate book on a gay group’s reading list. Could your evidence be any flimsier? Could you be infatuated with something less consequential, more reliant on a willful obsession with old fringe anecdotes?
We keep doing this: Going in circles. You obsess over an anecdote, a fringe. Then you try to generalize that obsession by transferring criticism of it to an entire group of people (this being a fallacious kind of thinking and argumentation). Then you’re challenged. And then your argument crumbles through your fingers, you pick the goalposts up and walk them a few miles in the correct direction, and you fall relatively silent. Aren’t you getting tired of it?
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
- Cite this. 4th graders are ten. There were ten-year-olds there? Cite this with a reputable source, proving that there were children as young as ten present during the particular worksop at which fisting was mentioned.
[/quote]
Okay I just checked and they were kids as young as 12 - you know, prepubescent. You were also mistaken. There were 200 kids there. The 12-year-olds were given instructions on fisting then presented with latex gloves and KY Jelly.
Yes the gloves contained instructions on oral sex…and the 12-year-olds were instructed on how to insert their hands up someone’s arse prior to being given latex gloves and lube.
I started a single thread and the subject came up. A crowd of detractors then swooped in and began interrogating, minimising and obfuscating. I then mentioned it here as a throw away line and again - a poor attempt at deprecating humour from one poster and now an essay from you replete with accusations of “infatuation” and obsession.
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We keep doing this: Going in circles. You obsess over an anecdote, a fringe. Then you try to generalize that obsession by transferring criticism of it to an entire group of people (this being a fallacious kind of thinking and argumentation). Then you’re challenged. And then your argument crumbles through your fingers, you pick the goalposts up and walk them a few miles in the correct direction, and you fall relatively silent. Aren’t you getting tired of it?[/quote]
Absolutely I’m tired of it. I’ve been worn down. I give up.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
- Cite this. 4th graders are ten. There were ten-year-olds there? Cite this with a reputable source, proving that there were children as young as ten present during the particular worksop at which fisting was mentioned.
[/quote]
Okay I just checked and they were kids as young as 12[/quote]
So, we begin at 8 years old, move up to ten years old, and then settle on 12 years old. Do you not care about your own evidence? Or are you so intent on thinking what you want to think that it doesn’t matter either way?
There were 200 kids at the day-long event. How many attended the particular workshop in question–the one wherein “fisting” came up?
Well:
Either the author of that report is incompetent (which is certainly a possibility), or there were twenty kids present at the workshop in question.
Either way, it is clear and certain that this “workshop” was not attended by all of the kids at the larger event, so no, you are incorrect on the figure of 200, and I am almost certainly being generous when I give the figure as 100 kids.
So, again, what are the facts here? Are you fixating on a workshop attended a decade and a half ago by twenty 12-18-year-old kids? 40 kids? 100? Does it matter to you that your opinions be grounded in good reason and verifiable fact, rather than fallacy and fantasy?
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
- Cite this. 4th graders are ten. There were ten-year-olds there? Cite this with a reputable source, proving that there were children as young as ten present during the particular worksop at which fisting was mentioned.
[/quote]
Okay I just checked and they were kids as young as 12[/quote]
So, we begin at 8 years old, move up to ten years old, and then settle on 12 years old. Do you not care about your own evidence? Or are you so intent on thinking what you want to think that it doesn’t matter either way?
There were 200 kids at the day-long event. How many attended the particular workshop in question–the one wherein “fisting” came up?
Well:
Either the author of that report is incompetent (which is certainly a possibility), or there were twenty kids present at the workshop in question.
Either way, it is clear and certain that this “workshop” was not attended by all of the kids at the larger event, so no, you are incorrect on the figure of 200, and I am almost certainly being generous when I give the figure as 100 kids.
So, again, what are the facts here? Are you fixating on a workshop attended a decade and a half ago by twenty 12-18-year-old kids? 40 kids? 100? Does it matter to you that your opinions be grounded in good reason and verifiable fact, rather than fallacy and fantasy?[/quote]
You’re obsessed. Stop obsessing.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Most kids these days are pathetic losers. My sons are 6 and 17, so I interact with many of their peers and parents of their peers and let me tell you, it’s a sad sight. I have regularly seen the younger kids having public meltdowns over what used to be standard boundaries. Similarly, I have heard my older son’s friends talking on the phone to their parents telling THEM when they’ll be home or if they can stay out, etc… These kids have never had an effective boundary set, have never been told “NO” (and actually have it reinforced without negotiating) and feel entitled to whatever their little hearts desire.
I have seen similar symptoms of this in my own children. My eldest son often tries to “negotiate” with me because, “well ALL my friends are doing it” or, “It’s 2014, Dad!”. My youngest child pitches a fit because I limit his “electronic time” (iPad, TV etc…) and actually make him read and do home work. Please note that I’M the one assigning him homework because his elementary school does not. Apparently, it’s too much for the parents to enforce so not enough kids were doing it, so they just stopped giving it… It’s fucking pathetic.
My eldest son is a very smart, savvy, high achieving individual (state champion athlete, honor roll student, eagle scout, plays two musical instruments, etc…). So I tend to give him a lot of latitude and responsibility because he has shown me he can handle it - he’s earned it. But every once in a while, I have to yank his cell phone for a week and set some boundaries because he becomes “infected” with these liberal ideas of what he “should” be able to do. He’s a good negotiator too and every so often I actually have to fall back to the old, “because I’m your FATHER and I SAID SO”. But he always respects that, cuz he knows I can whip his ass (and will if I have to).
My main worry is about my youngest son. He is being exposed to all this bullshit and liberal craziness that is far worse than it was ten years ago. He has already been sent home from school once because he pushed a boy BACK who pushed him first. It wasn’t even anything serious, just boys being boys, they are SIX… And he is a classic “boys boy”: doesn’t like to sit still, likes to run and play hard and rough - you know, like what USED to be considered normal for a boy. So the teachers already view him as a “troublemaker”. So now I have to work twice as hard with him at home, send him conflicting messages with what he’s getting at school and “de-pussify” him when he starts to exhibit that behavior.
It’s fucked up. But at least I’m aware of it and am taking action to counter it. How many parents do that? How many parents just lay down and do whatever the school tells them to do, “cuz they’re the experts”? We are looking at a generation of zero backbone kids who will be trying to compete in rapidly shrinking world on every level from politics to business to technology… We (America) are going to fall fast and hard as a result of this liberal bullshit.
Protect your kids while you still can. While you still have the “right” as a parent to determine their course.[/quote]
I have a friend who does this with his daughter. Instead of telling her what to do he gives her choices anytime she throws a fit. If she doesn’t want to go to bed he will say “Do you want to go to bed now or in 10 minutes?” He wonders why she never listens to him when he tells her what to do. She’s learned to manipulate him and she’s only 4. He stayed with my wife and I while going through a divorce and his daughter listened to us because I flat told her if she disobeyed me she would get a spanking. He, of course, has been reeducated to believe corporal punishment is of the devil.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
I have a friend who does this with his daughter. Instead of telling her what to do he gives her choices anytime she throws a fit. If she doesn’t want to go to bed he will say “Do you want to go to bed now or in 10 minutes?” He wonders why she never listens to him when he tells her what to do. She’s learned to manipulate him and she’s only 4. He stayed with my wife and I while going through a divorce and his daughter listened to us because I flat told her if she disobeyed me she would get a spanking. He, of course, has been reeducated to believe corporal punishment is of the devil.
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I mean this is the prime age where kids learn life skills. Everyone wants to think “cooking classes” or “finance classes” will prepare them for life, but what will really prepare kids for life is understanding actions and consequences, problem solving, and interacting with other people.
And as I’m writing, I realized these 3 items are being taking from the kids:
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Parents and other childhood leaders (teachers) reward everyone for everything and never follow through with punishments. This means to kids: Actions don’t have consequences and if it does, I can manipulate the results
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The questions to a test are given PRIOR to the freaking test today. Answers are spoon fed. No one is taught how to figure out the answer. We all know what this leads to
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Due to social media in particular, there is very little interaction between kids. Nothing like watching a group of 8 year olds on their cell phones while hanging out with each other.
And finally, a funny video:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
- Cite this. 4th graders are ten. There were ten-year-olds there? Cite this with a reputable source, proving that there were children as young as ten present during the particular worksop at which fisting was mentioned.
[/quote]
Okay I just checked and they were kids as young as 12[/quote]
So, we begin at 8 years old, move up to ten years old, and then settle on 12 years old. Do you not care about your own evidence? Or are you so intent on thinking what you want to think that it doesn’t matter either way?
There were 200 kids at the day-long event. How many attended the particular workshop in question–the one wherein “fisting” came up?
Well:
Either the author of that report is incompetent (which is certainly a possibility), or there were twenty kids present at the workshop in question.
Either way, it is clear and certain that this “workshop” was not attended by all of the kids at the larger event, so no, you are incorrect on the figure of 200, and I am almost certainly being generous when I give the figure as 100 kids.
So, again, what are the facts here? Are you fixating on a workshop attended a decade and a half ago by twenty 12-18-year-old kids? 40 kids? 100? Does it matter to you that your opinions be grounded in good reason and verifiable fact, rather than fallacy and fantasy?[/quote]
You’re obsessed. Stop obsessing.[/quote]
No, you brought this up (yet again, am I right?) and, as is becoming a tradition, got it wrong. And then you got it wrong again. And then you got it wrong again.
So what, exactly, is your response to the substance of my post? Are you actually going to continue to fixate on an inappropriate workshop attended by a couple dozen kids back when Living La Vida Loca was a hot new song?
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
- Cite this. 4th graders are ten. There were ten-year-olds there? Cite this with a reputable source, proving that there were children as young as ten present during the particular worksop at which fisting was mentioned.
[/quote]
Okay I just checked and they were kids as young as 12[/quote]
So, we begin at 8 years old, move up to ten years old, and then settle on 12 years old. Do you not care about your own evidence? Or are you so intent on thinking what you want to think that it doesn’t matter either way?
There were 200 kids at the day-long event. How many attended the particular workshop in question–the one wherein “fisting” came up?
Well:
Either the author of that report is incompetent (which is certainly a possibility), or there were twenty kids present at the workshop in question.
Either way, it is clear and certain that this “workshop” was not attended by all of the kids at the larger event, so no, you are incorrect on the figure of 200, and I am almost certainly being generous when I give the figure as 100 kids.
So, again, what are the facts here? Are you fixating on a workshop attended a decade and a half ago by twenty 12-18-year-old kids? 40 kids? 100? Does it matter to you that your opinions be grounded in good reason and verifiable fact, rather than fallacy and fantasy?[/quote]
You’re obsessed. Stop obsessing.[/quote]
No, you brought this up (yet again, am I right?) and, as is becoming a tradition, got it wrong. And then you got it wrong again. And then you got it wrong again.
So what, exactly, is your response to the substance of my post? Are you actually going to continue to fixate on an inappropriate workshop attended by a couple dozen kids back when Living La Vida Loca was a hot new song?[/quote]
You’re fixated. Stop fixating.
Why not just give some indication that you are being facetious or interjecting self-deprecating humor, e.g., “ :)” ?
Yeah, you do seem to interject the issue into a lot of discussions, but even that aside, see Poe’s law - when you do it often enough and there’s no indication of your intent, readers are going to have a so-called “WTF moment” and wonder what relevance it has to a subject mostly unrelated.
[quote]JR249 wrote:
Why not just give some indication that you are being facetious or interjecting self-deprecating humor, e.g., “ :)” ?
Yeah, you do seem to interject the issue into a lot of discussions, but even that aside, see Poe’s law - when you do it often enough and there’s no indication of your intent, readers are going to have a so-called “WTF moment” and wonder what relevance it has to a subject mostly unrelated.[/quote]
You’re infatuated. Stop infatuating.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
It’s fucked up. But at least I’m aware of it and am taking action to counter it. How many parents do that? How many parents just lay down and do whatever the school tells them to do, “cuz they’re the experts”? We are looking at a generation of zero backbone kids who will be trying to compete in rapidly shrinking world on every level from politics to business to technology… We (America) are going to fall fast and hard as a result of this liberal bullshit.
Protect your kids while you still can. While you still have the “right” as a parent to determine their course.[/quote]
Don’t blame the people that work in the school system, i.e., teachers and administrators. Schools are a reflection of society, and they are locally controlled, with considerable influence from state legislatures and a concurrent federal interest, at least from a monetary standpoint. The role of schools should be primarily to provide a Cadillac education, not this ever increasing load of mandates: http://www.jamievollmer.com/pdf/the-list.pdf
Children and adolescents spend far more time outside of school than they do in the schools themselves. Thus, they are arguably going to be shaped more by their home environment and peer groups than they are the school system. Change needs to start with parenting.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You’re fixated. Stop fixating.[/quote]
So–judging by this empty response, which is generally unlike you–you retract all of the bullshit about “third graders” and “200 kids,” which you got wrong about your own favorite piece of evidence? You admit that this incident, which you’ve continuously exaggerated, twisted, overblown, and embellished, is not remotely important enough to merit your abiding attention, being as it is an anecdote about a few dozen kids* who attended a workshop and heard some inappropriate things a decade and a half ago? When, again, “Livin La Vida Loca” was getting daily radio-play?
Well, that’s mighty big of you.
(I’ve read between the lines a little.)
- If I’m being generous. If I weren’t feeling generous, I would say “twenty kids,” because, so far as I can tell, that’s the number. I’m not sure, though, so I’ll be needlessly magnanimous and give you “a few dozen.”
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
I say this in utter sincerity, without a shred of sarcasm: Goddamn liberal pussies.[/quote]
It’s interesting that few pick up on the fact that political correctness, is actually offensive to many. It’s an oxymoron and an irony that gets lost. This offends me that people think I am too weak and stupid to handle ‘controversial content’ in well known literature.
So by trying not to offend people, they are offending people.
The little liberal chick is kind of a hottie though…
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
So–judging by this empty response, which is generally unlike you–you retract all of the bullshit about “third graders” and “200 kids,” which you got wrong about your own favorite piece of evidence? You admit that this incident, which you’ve continuously exaggerated, twisted, overblown, and embellished, is not remotely important enough to merit your abiding attention, being as it is an anecdote about a few dozen kids* who attended a workshop and heard some inappropriate things a decade and a half ago?
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Yes I must admit I got some of the details wrong. However the group that was involved(GLSEN) has been involved in numerous scandals since then. They have I infiltrated - yes infiltrated - thousands of schools and are brainwashing - yes brainwashing - children. It’s not paranoia; it’s an accurate description of this group and their activities. Having said that, I do concede that my polemical attacks have been somewhat overboard at times.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
So–judging by this empty response, which is generally unlike you–you retract all of the bullshit about “third graders” and “200 kids,” which you got wrong about your own favorite piece of evidence? You admit that this incident, which you’ve continuously exaggerated, twisted, overblown, and embellished, is not remotely important enough to merit your abiding attention, being as it is an anecdote about a few dozen kids* who attended a workshop and heard some inappropriate things a decade and a half ago?
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Yes I must admit I got some of the details wrong. However the group that was involved(GLSEN) has been involved in numerous scandals since then. They have I infiltrated - yes infiltrated - thousands of schools and are brainwashing - yes brainwashing - children.[/quote]
I am as against the actual brainwashing of kids as you are. But isn’t GLSEN pretty much all about getting kids to stop calling each other “faggot” in school? What is the “brainwashing”–what does it entail?
Either way, say you’re right. Say this group is doing some things it shouldn’t be doing. If there’s proof, I’ll gladly join you in condemning this group for the specific inappropriate things it does. But this will not have any effect on my opinion of a a colossally larger set of millions of gay Americans, almost every single one of whom does not direct or work for GLSEN.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
He’s a good negotiator too and every so often I actually have to fall back to the old, “because I’m your FATHER and I SAID SO”. [/quote]
I try very hard, very hard, not to do this, mainly because I want my kids to think about what they do and understand the purpose behind why I do and say what I do and say, so they grow up to have purpose behind their actions, and actually think about things before just doing.
BUt sometimes, it is the unavoidable answer lmao… I know I have a reason they shouldn’t be doing something, but explaining that to a 2 year old is fruitless, lol. And sometimes the 16 year old just needs a proverbial boot in the ass.
I crack the joke all the time “if my kids didn’t want me to beat them, they wouldn’t try so hard.” But in realty both my kids are well behaved and well mannered so I should complain.