Tren-Xtreme?

Pharma
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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I don’t even know why I’m contributing anything to this loser of a thread, but just for what it’s worth, the compound is NOT structurally a progestin.

I expect the reason the company is falsely calling it (falsely in terms of structure, anyway) is that such a lie theoretically might throw off the government, as progestins are specifically exempted from the Controlled Substance Act.

However, the DEA is not so dumb as to just buy that something is a progestin just because the company says so, when the compound is an androst-type structure, so what merits there are in actuality to that attempt at deception, I have no idea.[/quote]

So what exactly is it then? Effects? Side-effects? Yey or Ney?
And thanks on actually responding to the question instead of jumping on the bandwagon of bashing everyone new in the forums. I appreciate that

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[quote]Nich wrote:
you have no idea do you, I mean you been around since jan 07 with 8 posts and then you pop up with this shit and then you say I am a troll?

just please take my advice on this I will stop talking shit just please do a simple search you will find out more than you need to know.
I wont say it again.[/quote]

Do you even know what means being called a troll? Didn’t think so.
You’re here since the beginning of this year!!! What is your point? That just because you posted way more, you’re able to run your mouth?
Once again, I’m not here to bicker about stuff and pick fights. I’m just trying to get some valuable reliable AND valid info, which by default makes me question claims that were made.
I have been searching for this for a long time, just didn’t post. The search got me even more confused, therefore I’m asking.
If you’re STILL going to rag on me after this, I shall assume, you don’t want to help, are completely retarded when I say I’m not here to fight, and proceed toignore you

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The only effect that can be reliably predicted from structure is whether aromatization occurs (it does not in this case.) Efficacy for muscle-building or presence of other various side effects cannot be predicted from structure.

Being “two molecules away” from trenbolone says nothing about whether it is efficacious or not. What would correctly be meant by that claim is that the molecule has two differences.

One of those difference, being a 17-keto instead of 17-hydroxy, is enzymatically convertible. And the conversion would be necessary to become active. But in the case of trenbolone itself, changing that one thing resulted in a fairly poor prohormone that was not popular.

The other change, omitting one of the double bonds that trenbolone has, is not convertible. How much this may reduce efficacy can’t be directly predicted.

Now, I think it could be the case that the 17-hydroxy (same as trenbolone in that regard, and which this compound would have to convert to to be active) 4,9-diene (same as this compound) has already been availeble. I think but am not sure that actually I tried that years ago. If so I didn’t obtain it as the 17-hydroxy, but as the dione and reacted it with sodium borohydride to yield the 17-hydroxy. Certainly it was some diene similar to trenbolone lacking one double bond. It wasn’t very good.

If it was the same compound, then we would know that this compound even after conversion was not very good. But I am not sure it was the 4,9-diene.

Anyway, that would be something to look into if interested: whether 17b-hydroxynorandrost-4,9-diene-3-one has been available or not. If it was, it wasn’t a winner. But maybe it wasn’t and if not then this sort of thing hasn’t been tried. And also to see whether this has been sold before: it may have been. If it was, it wasn’t a success.

As to whether testosterone would be safer, it by far would be the preferable way to go, especially if also using letrozole at low dose (e.g. about 1/3 or 0.36 mg per day) and dutasteride, usual dose (0.5mg/day or even if just using Nolvadex.)

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Thank you for your input Bill. Much appreciated.
And as far as I know the 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione which 19-NOR claims to be the active ingredient, was not sold before in the same exact structure. However, I might be wrong. I just wasn’t able to find it even if it was.
Once again, thank you

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Glad to be of any help!

I think it probably has been sold before, just maybe not under that exact name. For example, it can also be called estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione or various other things.

“Estra” or “estr” is the same as “norandrost” or “19-norandrost,” and the placement of 3,17-dione within the name is not important. So various permutations are possible.

As further support for the thought that I have that this was sold before and for that matter may currently be sold by many companies rather than being unique to this product, Googling

4,9-diene prohormone

yields a lot of hits, most not being about this particular product but most indeed being about the same compound, even if differently named.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Glad to be of any help!

I think it probably has been sold before, just maybe not under that exact name. For example, it can also be called estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione or various other things.

“Estra” or “estr” is the same as “norandrost” or “19-norandrost,” and the placement of 3,17-dione within the name is not important. So various permutations are possible.

As further support for the thought that I have that this was sold before and for that matter may currently be sold by many companies rather than being unique to this product, Googling

4,9-diene prohormone

yields a lot of hits, most not being about this particular product but most indeed being about the same compound, even if differently named.[/quote]

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[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
Nich wrote:
you have no idea do you, I mean you been around since jan 07 with 8 posts and then you pop up with this shit and then you say I am a troll?

just please take my advice on this I will stop talking shit just please do a simple search you will find out more than you need to know.
I wont say it again.

Do you even know what means being called a troll? Didn’t think so.
You’re here since the beginning of this year!!! What is your point? That just because you posted way more, you’re able to run your mouth?
Once again, I’m not here to bicker about stuff and pick fights. I’m just trying to get some valuable reliable AND valid info, which by default makes me question claims that were made.
I have been searching for this for a long time, just didn’t post. The search got me even more confused, therefore I’m asking.
If you’re STILL going to rag on me after this, I shall assume, you don’t want to help, are completely retarded when I say I’m not here to fight, and proceed toignore you[/quote]

You are probably the dumbest piece of shit i’ve come across on these forums.

Nich, BBB and the other cats were being very cool in advising you on the ill effects on this compound.

FYI You do not need a doctorate in Chemistry to undertsand PHs and Steroids.

Nich ignore this ape.

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[quote]Shire wrote:
jCaesar88 wrote:
Nich wrote:
you have no idea do you, I mean you been around since jan 07 with 8 posts and then you pop up with this shit and then you say I am a troll?

just please take my advice on this I will stop talking shit just please do a simple search you will find out more than you need to know.
I wont say it again.

Do you even know what means being called a troll? Didn’t think so.
You’re here since the beginning of this year!!! What is your point? That just because you posted way more, you’re able to run your mouth?
Once again, I’m not here to bicker about stuff and pick fights. I’m just trying to get some valuable reliable AND valid info, which by default makes me question claims that were made.
I have been searching for this for a long time, just didn’t post. The search got me even more confused, therefore I’m asking.
If you’re STILL going to rag on me after this, I shall assume, you don’t want to help, are completely retarded when I say I’m not here to fight, and proceed toignore you

You are probably the dumbest piece of shit i’ve come across on these forums.

Nich, BBB and the other cats were being very cool in advising you on the ill effects on this compound.

FYI You do not need a doctorate in Chemistry to undertsand PHs and Steroids.

Nich ignore this ape.[/quote]

So I refuted all of his claims to which you start caliing me names.
Lol, alright kid

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[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:

So I refuted all of his claims to which you start caliing me names.
Lol, alright kid[/quote]

You can pick as many E-fights as you want with the vets on this board.

No one is ever going to respect your opinion when its clear you either don’t lift at all, or do so in a half assed manner.

At 6’1 160 pounds is skinny as hell, your normal development from just puberty should put you higher than that, even if you never touched a weight in your life.

I was 6’ 180 and change out of highschool and I ran freaking track and played soccer, both of which are pretty much just cardio.

You think your ready for drugs when your not even capable of keeping a lifting schedule and eating correctly ?

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
jCaesar88 wrote:

So I refuted all of his claims to which you start caliing me names.
Lol, alright kid

You can pick as many E-fights as you want with the vets on this board.

No one is ever going to respect your opinion when its clear you either don’t lift at all, or do so in a half assed manner.

At 6’1 160 pounds is skinny as hell, your normal development from just puberty should put you higher than that, even if you never touched a weight in your life.

I was 6’ 180 and change out of highschool and I ran freaking track and played soccer, both of which are pretty much just cardio.

You think your ready for drugs when your not even capable of keeping a lifting schedule and eating correctly ?

[/quote]

Lol, fuck you, and your respect.
So what that you weighed more? Everyone is different. I have ultra fast metabolism where not even 3500 cal/day is making me gain weight.
And no shit it’s skinny. tell me something I don’t know.
And who said I want to take drugs?
Another douche who just assumes shit.

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[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:

Lol, fuck you, and your respect.
So what that you weighed more? Everyone is different. I have ultra fast metabolism where not even 3500 cal/day is making me gain weight.
And no shit it’s skinny. tell me something I don’t know.
And who said I want to take drugs?
Another douche who just assumes shit.[/quote]

See theres part of your problem you think 3500 calories is alot, thats barely above maintenance.

And your asking alot of questions about DRUGS on a STEROIDS forum, its assumed you want to use them.

Or are you going to say they are for a “friend”.

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[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
Westclock wrote:
jCaesar88 wrote:

So I refuted all of his claims to which you start caliing me names.
Lol, alright kid

You can pick as many E-fights as you want with the vets on this board.

No one is ever going to respect your opinion when its clear you either don’t lift at all, or do so in a half assed manner.

At 6’1 160 pounds is skinny as hell, your normal development from just puberty should put you higher than that, even if you never touched a weight in your life.

I was 6’ 180 and change out of highschool and I ran freaking track and played soccer, both of which are pretty much just cardio.

You think your ready for drugs when your not even capable of keeping a lifting schedule and eating correctly ?

Lol, fuck you, and your respect.
So what that you weighed more? Everyone is different. I have ultra fast metabolism where not even 3500 cal/day is making me gain weight.
And no shit it’s skinny. tell me something I don’t know.
And who said I want to take drugs?
Another douche who just assumes shit.[/quote]

ok this is just about it,I for one am sick and tired of these little fucks taking over, im also sick of trying to preserve what little bit of a decent board we have.

I admit I have done my far share of acting like a dick around these parts but whatever I was never disrespectful and I was never showing blatant disregard for human health and life in general like the droves of pussies that come around here to this day.

they all offer no help or interest in health,none is lifting or training for anything other than there own fragile high school egos.
the advice they do hand out on anything be it training or eating is all horrible,very soon this site will be filled with skinny brad pitt wanna bes and skinny fat and fat fat kids that think a proper bulk is to slam pizza and a cut is to take a shit load of gnc pills and starve.

and with that said ,men formaly I am fucking out this bitch, I have no more to offer and my job is done. i will begin with deleting my account as of today.

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[quote]Nich wrote:

and with that said ,men formaly I am fucking out this bitch, I have no more to offer and my job is done. i will begin with deleting my account as of today.
[/quote]

Sounds familiar…

Anyways. Don’t go Nich. Why do you let people get under your skin so much on forums? There’s a point at which you have to ignore someone and just start posting on other threads. These people don’t even know you. Relax. It’d be great if you stuck around, and I would appreciate it if you did.

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[quote]Thatguy1083 wrote:
Nich wrote:

and with that said ,men formaly I am fucking out this bitch, I have no more to offer and my job is done. i will begin with deleting my account as of today.

Sounds familiar…

Anyways. Don’t go Nich. Why do you let people get under your skin so much on forums? There’s a point at which you have to ignore someone and just start posting on other threads. These people don’t even know you. Relax. It’d be great if you stuck around, and I would appreciate it if you did.[/quote]

I agree

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Thatguy1083 wrote:
Nich wrote:

and with that said ,men formaly I am fucking out this bitch, I have no more to offer and my job is done. i will begin with deleting my account as of today.

Sounds familiar…

Anyways. Don’t go Nich. Why do you let people get under your skin so much on forums? There’s a point at which you have to ignore someone and just start posting on other threads. These people don’t even know you. Relax. It’d be great if you stuck around, and I would appreciate it if you did.

I agree[/quote]

+1

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[quote]Nich wrote:

and with that said ,men formaly I am fucking out this bitch, I have no more to offer and my job is done. i will begin with deleting my account as of today.

[/quote]

We would prefer it if you didn’t go, but a man has got to do what a man has got to do.

Best of luck if you decide to leave.

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
jCaesar88 wrote:

Lol, fuck you, and your respect.
So what that you weighed more? Everyone is different. I have ultra fast metabolism where not even 3500 cal/day is making me gain weight.
And no shit it’s skinny. tell me something I don’t know.
And who said I want to take drugs?
Another douche who just assumes shit.

See theres part of your problem you think 3500 calories is alot, thats barely above maintenance.

And your asking alot of questions about DRUGS on a STEROIDS forum, its assumed you want to use them.

Or are you going to say they are for a “friend”.[/quote]

They’re not for a friend since 2 of my friends are already taking it. Wanted to see how fucked up they are (if they are)
oh 3500 cal/day is just above maintenance?

That might be the case with you or me or other people, but be careful when you make such a general statement. Everyone is different, therefor also different levels for maintenance, gain, etc…

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[quote]Nich wrote:
ok this is just about it,I for one am sick and tired of these little fucks taking over, im also sick of trying to preserve what little bit of a decent board we have.

I admit I have done my far share of acting like a dick around these parts but whatever I was never disrespectful and I was never showing blatant disregard for human health and life in general like the droves of pussies that come around here to this day.

they all offer no help or interest in health,none is lifting or training for anything other than there own fragile high school egos.
the advice they do hand out on anything be it training or eating is all horrible,very soon this site will be filled with skinny brad pitt wanna bes and skinny fat and fat fat kids that think a proper bulk is to slam pizza and a cut is to take a shit load of gnc pills and starve.

and with that said ,men formaly I am fucking out this bitch, I have no more to offer and my job is done. i will begin with deleting my account as of today.

[/quote]

Lol dude, relax.
Was I supposed to sit here and let the guy tell me that I’m a less of a human because of my “not normal” development?

And I know you’re not talking about me when you say that someone showed a “blatant disregard for human health and life in general”, cuz I haven’t
I keep on repeating that I didn’t come to the forums after 2 years to pick fights and whatnot, but one after the other someone comes and makes ridiculous assumptions about me, w/o knowing jack shit.

After I explain my line of reasoning and reassure them I have no interest in being an e-thug, they either get it and decide to throw away the war-axe or they keep being ignorant and persistent with their ridiculous claims.
So for the last time, this is some kind of misunderstanding.

I would like to learn some more about bodybuilding and whatnot, but you have to understand that I have to question information that’s presented due to the vast ammount of jerkoffs who claim to know wtf they’re doing. I’m sure you came across those types

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[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
Westclock wrote:
jCaesar88 wrote:

Lol, fuck you, and your respect.
So what that you weighed more? Everyone is different. I have ultra fast metabolism where not even 3500 cal/day is making me gain weight.
And no shit it’s skinny. tell me something I don’t know.

And who said I want to take drugs?
Another douche who just assumes shit.

See theres part of your problem you think 3500 calories is alot, thats barely above maintenance.

And your asking alot of questions about DRUGS on a STEROIDS forum, its assumed you want to use them.

Or are you going to say they are for a “friend”.

They’re not for a friend since 2 of my friends are already taking it. Wanted to see how fucked up they are (if they are)
oh 3500 cal/day is just above maintenance?

That might be the case with you or me or other people, but be careful when you make such a general statement. Everyone is different, therefor also different levels for maintenance, gain, etc…[/quote]

Well apparently for you 3500 is BELOW maintenance. Stop arguing with everyone about trivial things. You obviously have a lot to learn about all aspects of bodybuilding, everyone starts at the bottom.

Why would you come here to find out if your friends are fucked up from drugs? What sense does that make? Drugs affect people differently, have them get blood tests to see for yourself.

If you stopped acting like everyone was out to knock you down people may actually give a shit about what you have to say. Nitpicking at the little things makes you sound like a know-it-all whiny bitch. Grow up a little bit.

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