Tren-Xtreme?

Pharma
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#1. Whoever is advising against steroids is on the wrong forum. If you dont like or condone steroid use buzz-off.

I think from most evidence the product we are discussing (hence the name FORUM) is a sort of cross between trenbolone and deca. The problem with this and other pro-hormones is that they are “too strong”. This is why you have sides like feeling totally drained or lethargic as they say. Also high blood pressure is always there. As well as water retention and possible lung clots.(Clots because this is a side effect of anti- estrogens being marketed in this country as prohormones - like epistane).

Also-if you are using nolvadex as pct why not buy some gear where you buy the nolvadex and save yourself the headaches (another side effect of prohormones) of weighing the pros and cons of which prohormones have the best ratio of muscle gain to side effects?

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[quote]winkroar3 wrote:
#1. Whoever is advising against steroids is on the wrong forum. If you dont like or condone steroid use buzz-off.

[/quote]

Just because someone is recommending against this guy taking steroids or prohormones doesn’t mean they are against AAS use. It just means they think this guy isn’t mature enough to handle it, or is too young/not developed enough. There is a difference. I don’t think people like eliteballa should use anything at ALL.

In fact, I tend to think they might need to be culled from the herd, so to speak, to prevent bringing down the average genetic fitness of the rest of the population… Does that mean I think it’s completely dumb for someone like say…jackreape or X or whoever to use if they deem it proper? No.

I wouldn’t immediately jump in and tell someone to buzz off if they don’t like the idea of someone taking steroids. Even if it were legal, there are a lot of people that have no business whatsoever sticking themselves with a needle or swallowing a bunch of pills.

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Actually what i think would help if there was more info given about himself i.e. age,weight.ht. yrs training, what they are trying to achieve. any cycles under the belt too.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
jared530 wrote:
I’ve been reading around everywere and have heard nothing but great reviews from this product. All the shop owners on forums say this is probably the best supp out their right now that has around a 90-95% succes rate. I know you will probably tell me to spend my money on really gear but people say that it give you pumps like the real deal.

I just wondering if anyone had any experience with this product? I know you guys are generally more knowledgable that bodybuilding.com.

OK, from the tone of your post, you are young and have not yet been ripped off or scammed, which is why you are so shockingly naive.

“All the shop owners on forums say this is probably the best supp out their right now that has around a 90-95% succes rate.”

What the crap do you EXPECT them to say? “This product is not THE BEST supp we’ve ever sold.”???

OF COURSE they are going to rave about a product they make money from.

That does not mean it will be any good, of course.

You say you want to “avoid taking the pluge” into ‘real’ steroids. Wise up mate, these are steroids. Don’t be fooled by the prohormone label. These are hormones. Steroids are hormones. Therefore, these are steroids.

You have to realise that these prohormones have not had the testing or scientific evaluation behind them that ‘real’ steroids have. You are taking an essentially untested and unresearched product, cooked up by a chemist with profit in his mind, NOT the safety of the product.

Finally, this product is a PROGESTIN. I know that will mean nothing to you. Let me enlighten you. Progestins cause nasty side effects, like gynecomastia (man boobs to you). They might be anabolic, but not directly so, more by ‘chance’ than anything else.

Their primary use IS TO PREVENT PREGNANCY IN WOMEN.

In summary:
This drug is a steroid, do not kid yourself.
It has no direct anabolic properties.
It is used to stop pregnancy, not to grow muscle.
It is being marketed and promoted by schills (people who pose as happy customers, yet who actually work for the company). Wankers, in other words.
It was designed to bypass certain laws, not to safely grow muscle.
Anyone using this product is likely to end up with a range of nasty side effects as well as a shutdown in natural T.

Wiseup, be smart and invest in some natural supplements that promote health not undermine it.

Bushy[/quote]

Hate to be a prick, but you seem to be bashing stuff, because you think you know what you’re talking about.
What is your source?
Why are you saying that you WILL develop nasty side effects?

Have you taken this product or other product with 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione is a progestin?
Once again, I’m new to this but you don’t seem to back up your claims

‘‘You fear what you don’t know’’

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Also, since we’re at this topic: Who can tell me their experience with 19-Nor?

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[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
jared530 wrote:
I’ve been reading around everywere and have heard nothing but great reviews from this product. All the shop owners on forums say this is probably the best supp out their right now that has around a 90-95% succes rate. I know you will probably tell me to spend my money on really gear but people say that it give you pumps like the real deal.

I just wondering if anyone had any experience with this product? I know you guys are generally more knowledgable that bodybuilding.com.

OK, from the tone of your post, you are young and have not yet been ripped off or scammed, which is why you are so shockingly naive.

“All the shop owners on forums say this is probably the best supp out their right now that has around a 90-95% succes rate.”

What the crap do you EXPECT them to say? “This product is not THE BEST supp we’ve ever sold.”???

OF COURSE they are going to rave about a product they make money from.

That does not mean it will be any good, of course.

You say you want to “avoid taking the pluge” into ‘real’ steroids. Wise up mate, these are steroids. Don’t be fooled by the prohormone label. These are hormones. Steroids are hormones. Therefore, these are steroids.

You have to realise that these prohormones have not had the testing or scientific evaluation behind them that ‘real’ steroids have. You are taking an essentially untested and unresearched product, cooked up by a chemist with profit in his mind, NOT the safety of the product.

Finally, this product is a PROGESTIN. I know that will mean nothing to you. Let me enlighten you. Progestins cause nasty side effects, like gynecomastia (man boobs to you). They might be anabolic, but not directly so, more by ‘chance’ than anything else.

Their primary use IS TO PREVENT PREGNANCY IN WOMEN.

In summary:
This drug is a steroid, do not kid yourself.
It has no direct anabolic properties.
It is used to stop pregnancy, not to grow muscle.
It is being marketed and promoted by schills (people who pose as happy customers, yet who actually work for the company). Wankers, in other words.
It was designed to bypass certain laws, not to safely grow muscle.
Anyone using this product is likely to end up with a range of nasty side effects as well as a shutdown in natural T.

Wiseup, be smart and invest in some natural supplements that promote health not undermine it.

Bushy

Hate to be a prick, but you seem to be bashing stuff, because you think you know what you’re talking about.
What is your source?
Why are you saying that you WILL develop nasty side effects?

Have you taken this product or other product with 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione is a progestin?
Once again, I’m new to this but you don’t seem to back up your claims

‘‘You fear what you don’t know’’[/quote]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Pure Comedy GOLD.
or should I say Comedy Xtreme!!!

Why are you idiots here trying to get sales.
you honestly think theres tha tmany dumb kids here.
We have been invaded by th GNC crowd from mens health I tell ya.

I have something your a douche.
my source is your douchy nature has showen its douchy head and by douchy head I mean YOUR FUCKING DUMB
remove yourself from the gene pool at once
the line forms to the left
thank you

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[quote]Nich wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Pure Comedy GOLD.
or should I say Comedy Xtreme!!!

Why are you idiots here trying to get sales.
you honestly think theres tha tmany dumb kids here.
We have been invaded by th GNC crowd from mens health I tell ya.

I have something your a douche.
my source is your douchy nature has showen its douchy head and by douchy head I mean YOUR FUCKING DUMB
remove yourself from the gene pool at once
the line forms to the left
thank you

[/quote]

ummm wtf???
What are you talking about “trying to get sales”?
I simply questioned him. I guess that makes me a “douche”
Once again, another one who talks shit w/o knowing anything about the topic.
I’m just trying to find out about pro-hormones

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[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
jared530 wrote:
I’ve been reading around everywere and have heard nothing but great reviews from this product. All the shop owners on forums say this is probably the best supp out their right now that has around a 90-95% succes rate. I know you will probably tell me to spend my money on really gear but people say that it give you pumps like the real deal.

I just wondering if anyone had any experience with this product? I know you guys are generally more knowledgable that bodybuilding.com.

OK, from the tone of your post, you are young and have not yet been ripped off or scammed, which is why you are so shockingly naive.

“All the shop owners on forums say this is probably the best supp out their right now that has around a 90-95% succes rate.”

What the crap do you EXPECT them to say? “This product is not THE BEST supp we’ve ever sold.”???

OF COURSE they are going to rave about a product they make money from.

That does not mean it will be any good, of course.

You say you want to “avoid taking the pluge” into ‘real’ steroids. Wise up mate, these are steroids. Don’t be fooled by the prohormone label. These are hormones. Steroids are hormones. Therefore, these are steroids.

You have to realise that these prohormones have not had the testing or scientific evaluation behind them that ‘real’ steroids have. You are taking an essentially untested and unresearched product, cooked up by a chemist with profit in his mind, NOT the safety of the product.

Finally, this product is a PROGESTIN. I know that will mean nothing to you. Let me enlighten you. Progestins cause nasty side effects, like gynecomastia (man boobs to you). They might be anabolic, but not directly so, more by ‘chance’ than anything else.

Their primary use IS TO PREVENT PREGNANCY IN WOMEN.

In summary:
This drug is a steroid, do not kid yourself.
It has no direct anabolic properties.
It is used to stop pregnancy, not to grow muscle.
It is being marketed and promoted by schills (people who pose as happy customers, yet who actually work for the company). Wankers, in other words.
It was designed to bypass certain laws, not to safely grow muscle.
Anyone using this product is likely to end up with a range of nasty side effects as well as a shutdown in natural T.

Wiseup, be smart and invest in some natural supplements that promote health not undermine it.

Bushy

Hate to be a prick, but you seem to be bashing stuff, because you think you know what you’re talking about.
What is your source?
Why are you saying that you WILL develop nasty side effects?

Have you taken this product or other product with 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione is a progestin?
Once again, I’m new to this but you don’t seem to back up your claims

‘‘You fear what you don’t know’’[/quote]

O boy
You are probably 20 years old, judging from the number in your tagname, you have a picture of a fridge full of beer as your avatar, you have 3 posts in almost 2 years and you are claiming that BBB doesn’t know his stuff just because he didn’t provide sources for his info. Who are you to say he’s wrong??

Get a clue.

If there are 3 or 4 people in this forum that have a strong enough reputation which allows for such omissions than BBB is surely one of them.

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[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
Nich wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Pure Comedy GOLD.
or should I say Comedy Xtreme!!!

Why are you idiots here trying to get sales.
you honestly think theres tha tmany dumb kids here.
We have been invaded by th GNC crowd from mens health I tell ya.

I have something your a douche.
my source is your douchy nature has showen its douchy head and by douchy head I mean YOUR FUCKING DUMB
remove yourself from the gene pool at once
the line forms to the left
thank you

ummm wtf???
What are you talking about “trying to get sales”?
I simply questioned him. I guess that makes me a “douche”
Once again, another one who talks shit w/o knowing anything about the topic.
I’m just trying to find out about pro-hormones
[/quote]

do yourself a favor and stay away from anything “Legal”
I dont know how many times this has been coverd
infact there is a very informative sticky at the top of the forum if you are hell bent on Pro hromones.

but IMO and thats all it is after all my opinion,pro hormones are nasty you get all the sides with half the results.anyone telling you any different is blowing smoke in your ass.

save your money and get real gear.so many options out there.
and if thats not an option how about a little hard work.

you know its healthy to sweat right?
your not going to break if you lift heavy things.

and yes I know nothing about the topic because its a stupid fucking topic.

hey I got an idea
put the mouse and the pills down and go pick up a dumb bell.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
O boy
You are probably 20 years old, judging from the number in your tagname, you have a picture of a fridge full of beer as your avatar, you have 3 posts in almost 2 years and you are claiming that BBB doesn’t know his stuff just because he didn’t provide sources for his info. Who are you to say he’s wrong??

Get a clue.

If there are 3 or 4 people in this forum that have a strong enough reputation which allows for such omissions than BBB is surely one of them. [/quote]

Again, don’t assume stuff.
I’m 21. yea I know, not big of a difference, but still.
The only beer I drank was light beer.
just because I don’t post, doesn’t mean I don’t read.

All I said was that he was bashing stuff and not supporting it with any evidence. Sorry, that’s the skeptic in me. i question EVERYTHING.
Who are you to say he’s right? Just because he posts a lot??
For fucks sake I was just trying to find out more about this 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione crap. THAT’S ALL.

I’m probably not gonna take it, because I found out that one slight side effect is ‘‘limp dick’’ and my gf told me right away that she would dump my ass if I start taking that and I won’t be able to perform like I do.

I’ll take a word of advice from you cuz you have a sick body (no homo) if that’s you on the pic. But this other prick that was laughing at me…he’s a morbidly obese bastard. And if the info in his profile isn’t true, then he’s a megaherb. In either case, he shouldn’t be talking.
Not trying to hate, just questioning stuff, cuz, I have to.

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[quote]jared530 wrote:
Would it be ok to drink while taking this?[/quote]

LOL!!

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[quote]Nich wrote:
do yourself a favor and stay away from anything “Legal”
I dont know how many times this has been coverd
infact there is a very informative sticky at the top of the forum if you are hell bent on Pro hromones.

but IMO and thats all it is after all my opinion,pro hormones are nasty you get all the sides with half the results.anyone telling you any different is blowing smoke in your ass.

save your money and get real gear.so many options out there.
and if thats not an option how about a little hard work.

you know its healthy to sweat right?
your not going to break if you lift heavy things.

and yes I know nothing about the topic because its a stupid fucking topic.

hey I got an idea
put the mouse and the pills down and go pick up a dumb bell.[/quote]

LOL, don’t you dare to talk to me in a condescending tone.
You have no clue where I’m coming from.

“pro hormones are nasty you get all the sides with half the results.”
Did you take any pro-hormones? Do you have a doctorate in chemistry? No? Then STFU!!!
And if you know nothing about the topic then once again: STFUUUU

I don’t understand where you get the balls to tell me about working out. Go look in a mirror and your 290 lbs. Drop a 100, while maintaining most of the muscle, and then talk to me.

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[quote]rikz wrote:
jared530 wrote:
Would it be ok to drink while taking this?

LOL!![/quote]

Yeah I LOL-ed too =]

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haha you told me son you told me haha
ok ill take my fat self off and cry now cause I got bitch slapped

whaaaaaaaaa!!!

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[quote]Nich wrote:
haha you told me son you told me haha
ok ill take my fat self off and cry now cause I got bitch slapped

whaaaaaaaaa!!!

[/quote]

Bro, are you retarded?
This isn’t myspace forums where you troll around and play an e-thug.
I thought people come here to learn something and seek knowledge. Stop trolling this shit and acting like a 15 year old

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[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
Nich wrote:
haha you told me son you told me haha
ok ill take my fat self off and cry now cause I got bitch slapped

whaaaaaaaaa!!!

Bro, are you retarded?
This isn’t myspace forums where you troll around and plan an e-thug.
I thought people come here to learn something and seek knowledge. Stop trolling this shit and acting like a 15 year old[/quote]

you have no idea do you, I mean you been around since jan 07 with 8 posts and then you pop up with this shit and then you say I am a troll?

just please take my advice on this I will stop talking shit just please do a simple search you will find out more than you need to know.
I wont say it again.

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[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:

Again, don’t assume stuff.
I’m 21. yea I know, not big of a difference, but still.
The only beer I drank was light beer.
just because I don’t post, doesn’t mean I don’t read.

All I said was that he was bashing stuff and not supporting it with any evidence. Sorry, that’s the skeptic in me. i question EVERYTHING.
Who are you to say he’s right? Just because he posts a lot??
For fucks sake I was just trying to find out more about this 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione crap. THAT’S ALL.

I’m probably not gonna take it, because I found out that one slight side effect is ‘‘limp dick’’ and my gf told me right away that she would dump my ass if I start taking that and I won’t be able to perform like I do.

I’ll take a word of advice from you cuz you have a sick body (no homo) if that’s you on the pic. But this other prick that was laughing at me…he’s a morbidly obese bastard. And if the info in his profile isn’t true, then he’s a megaherb. In either case, he shouldn’t be talking.
Not trying to hate, just questioning stuff, cuz, I have to.[/quote]

Excuse me for assuming stuff. Normally it is common for someone to give a little background about themself when asking for help.

Who am I to say BBB is right? I’ve probably read 80% of his posts in this forum and my intuition says that he is right on this matter, just as he is right on the fair share of other matters.

If I knew your gf I’d remind her that you are a 160 pound tool and you should be dumped for that… Light beer lol

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Just FYI kiddies. Bushy has already forgotten more about endocrinology and physiology than you will ever know in your lifetimes. If you want to hang around and actually learn from the experts here then good for you. If not, head back to BB.com where everyone will tell you how swole & ripped you’re gonna get from your ridiculous PH cycles.

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I don’t even know why I’m contributing anything to this loser of a thread, but just for what it’s worth, the compound is NOT structurally a progestin.

I expect the reason the company is falsely calling it (falsely in terms of structure, anyway) is that such a lie theoretically might throw off the government, as progestins are specifically exempted from the Controlled Substance Act.

However, the DEA is not so dumb as to just buy that something is a progestin just because the company says so, when the compound is an androst-type structure, so what merits there are in actuality to that attempt at deception, I have no idea.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
jCaesar88 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:

Again, don’t assume stuff.
I’m 21. yea I know, not big of a difference, but still.
The only beer I drank was light beer.
just because I don’t post, doesn’t mean I don’t read.

All I said was that he was bashing stuff and not supporting it with any evidence. Sorry, that’s the skeptic in me. i question EVERYTHING.
Who are you to say he’s right? Just because he posts a lot??
For fucks sake I was just trying to find out more about this 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione crap. THAT’S ALL.

I’m probably not gonna take it, because I found out that one slight side effect is ‘‘limp dick’’ and my gf told me right away that she would dump my ass if I start taking that and I won’t be able to perform like I do.

I’ll take a word of advice from you cuz you have a sick body (no homo) if that’s you on the pic. But this other prick that was laughing at me…he’s a morbidly obese bastard. And if the info in his profile isn’t true, then he’s a megaherb. In either case, he shouldn’t be talking.
Not trying to hate, just questioning stuff, cuz, I have to.

Excuse me for assuming stuff. Normally it is common for someone to give a little background about themself when asking for help.

Who am I to say BBB is right? I’ve probably read 80% of his posts in this forum and my intuition says that he is right on this matter, just as he is right on the fair share of other matters.

If I knew your gf I’d remind her that you are a 160 pound tool and you should be dumped for that… Light beer lol [/quote]

I wasn’t asking for help. I was asking for source. GG
Your intuition means shit to me.
Yes, because one’s weight determines whether he’s a tool or not. Lol. Alright man
As for the light beer: I don’t drink. So I drank light beer in order for everyone to hop off my nuts.
Anything else?