Treatment of Bush Is a Disgrace

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Good man, he made some mistakes but did well in many areas.

Care to name one? I’ll give you Stevens and Alito, but he even tried to fuck that up.

I think what he is doing in Africa is pretty good even though I am generally against give aways.

I think his recognition that we need to force change on the middle east is correct. Not all his tactics have worked but that is to be expected. I think it is shameful how it has been undercut at every turn.

Well he has succeeded in undermining the constitution…stripping people of their civil liberties ,fucking up the economy …and inflating government (something republicans are supposed to be against) …his middle east tactics have only worked for his Haliburton friends and the military industrial complex, which is what they were designed to do…not to affect peace or spread democracy…so I guess that has been a success too.
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Bush Derangement Syndrome is an ugly thing.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Good man, he made some mistakes but did well in many areas.

Care to name one? I’ll give you Stevens and Alito, but he even tried to fuck that up.

I think what he is doing in Africa is pretty good even though I am generally against give aways.

I think his recognition that we need to force change on the middle east is correct. Not all his tactics have worked but that is to be expected. I think it is shameful how it has been undercut at every turn.

Well he has succeeded in undermining the constitution…stripping people of their civil liberties ,fucking up the economy …and inflating government (something republicans are supposed to be against) …his middle east tactics have only worked for his Haliburton friends and the military industrial complex, which is what they were designed to do…not to affect peace or spread democracy…so I guess that has been a success too.

Bush Derangement Syndrome is an ugly thing.[/quote]

It is true, the last remaining Bush supporters have something pathologically desperate about them…

That is what you meant, right?

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Too early to be high, brother.
Then again, Bush was a solid contributor to Obama’s victory.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
I don’t think he’ll go down as one of the worst. [/quote]

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[quote]oneforship wrote:
The current belief that Bush is the worst president in history is propagated by the left-leaning (to put it mildly) media. Did everything go great? Of course not, but it never does. Within 9 months of taking office, President Bush was faced with the single largest terrorist attack on U.S. soil in history. To say that his tenure has been defined by that would be an understatement.

There have been NO successful terrorist attacks on the United States since September 11, 2001. That’s over 7 years now. An amazing feat considering the levels of hostility of certain terrorist groups against the U.S. have certainly not diminished over that time. If you are to look at this fact alone, you could consider his presidency successful. Could another president have done this? We don’t know, as there was no precedent, and hopefully, God willing, we never have to find out.

If you think it is such a travesty, perhaps you will change your thinking when we revert to Clinton era domestic security policies: the same policies that paved the way for 9/11.

I certainly hope that is not the case, but sometimes it is hard to do anything besides fear the worst.
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Are some of you aware of how pathetically childish this “fear the worst” mentality is?

No, keep telling yourselves that this makes you superior than everyone who disagrees with you…which is most of America apparently.

For Bush cheerleaders its, “[quote]Did everything go great? Of course not, but it never does. [/quote]”…yet these same people will be there to act like any negative thing that goes down for the next 4 years is the epitome of destruction for the US as they "fear the worst

Hypocrites.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
oneforship wrote:
The current belief that Bush is the worst president in history is propagated by the left-leaning (to put it mildly) media. Did everything go great? Of course not, but it never does. Within 9 months of taking office, President Bush was faced with the single largest terrorist attack on U.S. soil in history. To say that his tenure has been defined by that would be an understatement.

There have been NO successful terrorist attacks on the United States since September 11, 2001. That’s over 7 years now. An amazing feat considering the levels of hostility of certain terrorist groups against the U.S. have certainly not diminished over that time. If you are to look at this fact alone, you could consider his presidency successful. Could another president have done this? We don’t know, as there was no precedent, and hopefully, God willing, we never have to find out.

If you think it is such a travesty, perhaps you will change your thinking when we revert to Clinton era domestic security policies: the same policies that paved the way for 9/11.

I certainly hope that is not the case, but sometimes it is hard to do anything besides fear the worst.

Are some of you aware of how pathetically childish this “fear the worst” mentality is?

No, keep telling yourselves that this makes you superior than everyone who disagrees with you…which is most of America apparently.

For Bush cheerleaders its, "Did everything go great? Of course not, but it never does. "…yet these same people will be there to act like any negative thing that goes down for the next 4 years is the epitome of destruction for the US as they "fear the worst

Hypocrites.[/quote]

I have to admit that I would be seriously impressed if Obama squandered more money than Bush.

Hell, if I though that Bush was a capitalist I´d be a Marxist now.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Are some of you aware of how pathetically childish this “fear the worst” mentality is?

No, keep telling yourselves that this makes you superior than everyone who disagrees with you…which is most of America apparently.

For Bush cheerleaders its, "Did everything go great? Of course not, but it never does. "…yet these same people will be there to act like any negative thing that goes down for the next 4 years is the epitome of destruction for the US as they "fear the worst

Hypocrites.[/quote]

The worst is to be feared when you have a mass media and mass mobs blindly supporting a leader. Because people have a “faith” (my own word) in a human being similar to that which they put in their religious beliefs. That is scary to me.

I didn’t say “anything and everything that can and might go wrong in an Obama presidency will be the worst.” That would have been hypocritical. To fear the worst, and simultaneously acknowledge that there will be bumps in the road, is not inherently hypocritical.

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[quote]oneforship wrote:

The worst is to be feared when you have a mass media and mass mobs blindly supporting a leader. [/quote]

Wait, so no one in America “blindly followed” George Bush?

Really? You think you and yours are that superior to EVERYONE who voted for the other candidate?

Why do some of you think you are so damned smart? It sure as hell doesn’t show very well.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
oneforship wrote:

The worst is to be feared when you have a mass media and mass mobs blindly supporting a leader.

Wait, so no one in America “blindly followed” George Bush?

Really? You think you and yours are that superior to EVERYONE who voted for the other candidate?

Why do some of you think you are so damned smart? It sure as hell doesn’t show very well.
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You’re more intelligent than this. I never claimed that there were no “blind followers” of George Bush. Go back and read the posts, it isn’t in there. Every leader has people like that in their wake. But certainly even you can’t claim that the media EVER portrayed Bush as the type of savior they have made out Obama to be. Or I suppose you could make that claim, but you’d be as wrong as I would be to try and claim Bush never had any blind followers.

I don’t claim to be superior than EVERYONE who voted for the other candidate. Only those who voted for the other candidate without solid reasoning. And I never claimed you to be one of those people, so you have no reason to take offense. I would claim to be superior to those voters who voted for McCain with their only reasoning being Obama is black. That is equally ignorant.

If you’re going to attempt to insult someone’s intelligence, please use some of your own.

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[quote]oneforship wrote:

You’re more intelligent than this.[/quote]

Correction, I’m more intelligent than you are aware of.

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I never claimed that there were no “blind followers” of George Bush.[/quote]

No, you simply pointed it out in relation to Obama as if this should be FEARED. Clearly this means that you think Bush-ites should be FEARED as well.

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But certainly even you can’t claim that the media EVER portrayed Bush as the type of savior they have made out Obama to be. Or I suppose you could make that claim, but you’d be as wrong as I would be to try and claim Bush never had any blind followers.[/quote]

Are you aware of an entity going by the name of FOX News?

Never heard of them, huh?

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I don’t claim to be superior than EVERYONE who voted for the other candidate. Only those who voted for the other candidate without solid reasoning.[/quote]

Which means you think people didn’t have solid reasoning for their vote…which means you think this is significant because everyone who voted for McCain had solid reasoning for their vote?

Follow the bouncing ball…

If you don’t think this, then it is not significant AT ALL.

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If you’re going to attempt to insult someone’s intelligence, please use some of your own.[/quote]

Done.

You sure do take things personally.

Lighten up. All of that fear will kill you quick.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
oneforship wrote:

You’re more intelligent than this.

Correction, I’m more intelligent than you are aware of.[/quote]

I acknowledged your intelligence

[quote]I never claimed that there were no “blind followers” of George Bush.

No, you simply pointed it out in relation to Obama as if this should be FEARED. Clearly this means that you think Bush-ites should be FEARED as well.[/quote]

I pointed out the mass of blind followers, with an inclusion of the media. Clearly different. Any blind follower of another human being is a scary person at some level, yes.

[quote]But certainly even you can’t claim that the media EVER portrayed Bush as the type of savior they have made out Obama to be. Or I suppose you could make that claim, but you’d be as wrong as I would be to try and claim Bush never had any blind followers.

Are you aware of an entity going by the name of FOX News?

Never heard of them, huh?[/quote]

FOX News never made Bush out to be the savior that much of the media does for Obama. They are simply the only network that doesn’t publicly ream Bush at any and all opportunity.

[quote]I don’t claim to be superior than EVERYONE who voted for the other candidate. Only those who voted for the other candidate without solid reasoning.

Which means you think people didn’t have solid reasoning for their vote…which means you think this is significant because everyone who voted for McCain had solid reasoning for their vote?

Follow the bouncing ball…

If you don’t think this, then it is not significant AT ALL.[/quote]

I actually did say this. I used an example of race as “not solid reasoning.” So, hopefully that adds enough for maybe even a LITTLE significance in your eyes.

[quote]If you’re going to attempt to insult someone’s intelligence, please use some of your own.

Done.

You sure do take things personally.

Lighten up. All of that fear will kill you quick.[/quote]

Had nothing to do with taking things personal. It had to do with having my words turned into something they weren’t, in order to make an attack on my own intelligence.

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[quote]oneforship wrote:
FOX News never made Bush out to be the savior that much of the media does for Obama. They are simply the only network that doesn’t publicly ream Bush at any and all opportunity.
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Have you even once considered that this is because Bush is who America wants to be saved from?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
oneforship wrote:
FOX News never made Bush out to be the savior that much of the media does for Obama. They are simply the only network that doesn’t publicly ream Bush at any and all opportunity.

Have even once considered that this is because Bush is who America wants to be saved from?[/quote]

Isn’t that the entire point of this thread (or the article the thread is titled after)? That that sentiment is a poor reflection on our nation, and even unnecessary?

Look, I recognize that people are upset and disagree with may of the things that Bush did while in office. I can say with great confidence that I will be upset and disagree with many of the things Obama does while in office. But I would never, and will never, treat him with the kind of disrespect that our nation affords George Bush. That is the disgrace that is referenced in the article.

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[quote]oneforship wrote:
Professor X wrote:
oneforship wrote:
FOX News never made Bush out to be the savior that much of the media does for Obama. They are simply the only network that doesn’t publicly ream Bush at any and all opportunity.

Have even once considered that this is because Bush is who America wants to be saved from?

Isn’t that the entire point of this thread (or the article the thread is titled after)? That that sentiment is a poor reflection on our nation, and even unnecessary?[/quote]

Wow, there are people calling our new president an ENEMY but here you are worried about how we “reflect” as a country to the rest of the world by not wanting Bush or his ideals anymore?

I thought you guys didn’t care how we looked to the rest of the world?

I could see taking your stance if this was even a close race…BUT IT WASN’T.

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Look, I recognize that people are upset and disagree with may of the things that Bush did while in office. I can say with great confidence that I will be upset and disagree with many of the things Obama does while in office. But I would never, and will never, treat him with the kind of disrespect that our nation affords George Bush. That is the disgrace that is referenced in the article. [/quote]

Like said above, tell that to your brethren who are literally saying they will not respect Obama as our new president.

This might be the sorriest mass reaction to a loss that I have ever seen.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
This might be the sorriest mass reaction to a loss that I have ever seen.[/quote]

Evidence Al Gore in 2000 as much worse.

It really wasn’t the landslide of a popular vote that some expected.

And you cannot project the views of my so-called “brethren” on me. That is not a logical argument to project the views of a group upon an individual.

I’m not calling Obama an enemy. He hasn’t done anything yet. The only way judgment can be passed is after he does something. All I said, is that this type of situation, where there is only one-side of every policy presented, without any opposition, can be potentially dangerous. That was the extent of my comments.

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[quote]oneforship wrote:

And you cannot project the views of my so-called “brethren” on me. That is not a logical argument to project the views of a group upon an individual.
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…and I present…REV JEREMIAH WRIGHT!!!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and I present…REV JEREMIAH WRIGHT!!![/quote]

And I present…a thread that is now gone off topic.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
oneforship wrote:

And you cannot project the views of my so-called “brethren” on me. That is not a logical argument to project the views of a group upon an individual.

…and I present…REV JEREMIAH WRIGHT!!![/quote]

Maybe I’m not understanding what your comparing here X. Are you comparing oneforships relation and beliefs WRT others here and Obama and Rev. Wrights relationship?

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
Professor X wrote:
oneforship wrote:

And you cannot project the views of my so-called “brethren” on me. That is not a logical argument to project the views of a group upon an individual.

…and I present…REV JEREMIAH WRIGHT!!!

Maybe I’m not understanding what your comparing here X. Are you comparing oneforships relation and beliefs WRT others here and Obama and Rev. Wrights relationship?[/quote]

You read his post that I quoted and then couldn’t understand what I meant by bringing up Rev Wright?

This board was literally filled with threads and posts about how so many worry about Obama’s mental state by bringing up Rev Wright.

Even when other minorities tried to inform of the social differences between how blacks or whites would respond to many of those same words, it was still pushed that Rev Wright somehow spoke for Obama and that this mneans he hates America.

If we are no longer projecting the views of one onto another, then all of that crap was a waste of internet bandwidth.

I still have only seen one person reject this “Obama is the enemy” bullshit who claimed to vote for McCain.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

For Bush cheerleaders its, "Did everything go great? Of course not, but it never does. "…yet these same people will be there to act like any negative thing that goes down for the next 4 years is the epitome of destruction for the US as they "fear the worst
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Pay back is a bitch.

I freely criticized Bush. I have freely criticized McCain.

I am going to do the same with Obama. Probably a little more so, since I never wanted him in the first place.

Now, what is hypocritical about that?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:

For Bush cheerleaders its, "Did everything go great? Of course not, but it never does. "…yet these same people will be there to act like any negative thing that goes down for the next 4 years is the epitome of destruction for the US as they "fear the worst

Pay back is a bitch.

I freely criticized Bush. I have freely criticized McCain.

I am going to do the same with Obama. Probably a little more so, since I never wanted him in the first place.

Now, what is hypocritical about that? [/quote]

For every ONE of you, there were 30 JeffR’s.

I suppose you deny this of course.