Trayvon Martin Trial

[quote]Waittz wrote:
Cdog, where did you get the statistics on the rapeing/murdering versus hanging? Not saying I do not beleive it, I do actually, just curious of its sourcing. thanks [/quote]

The federal publication was something a co-worker brought to a corporate diversity class in order to contest some implausible “facts” the speaker was making.

The generally accepted total of black lynchings (google it and you will see it is under 5000)
Divide that by thirty years. Your total would be 167 women (an ample percentage would be white murdered/raped by African American men.

You see how a negligible total of 167 white women a year murdered and raped by African American men is credible and easily proven with today’s records. The actual numbers are inconceivable and very disturbing to think about. God help women in 2013.

qoute “According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005. Only 16% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation.” So you can surmise that at least 167 white women were murdered out of that large rape stat. Race is also mentioned in the crime stats. African American men rape many white women, it is not a myth fabricated by your Detroit, Baltimore, Oakland, Philadelphia, Chicago law enforcement.

The brilliant retort by the guest speaker giving the diversity class was it could not be comparable because we don’t have accurate numbers of black lynchings. ???

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:

It’s not fair, you’ve been playing it longer and it’s almost impossible for me to catch up!

I think it’s hard-wired into my teenage brain to resist being jaded by funny gifs. Jpegs have their limits, but gifs are an unendless stream of funny for me. I like to amuse myself sometimes with a funny sort of illustration, usually when the forums get slowed down a lot. Or maybe I just scour certain sections at the expense of others and it’s subjectively slow, hmm.[/quote]

I think you need to find a way to make better use of your intelligence, insight and eloquence.

Get on with your life, my friend.[/quote]

I got outrageously drunk last night and watched Vampire’s Kiss with Nicolas Cage, along with the chef and waitress of where I work, I enjoyed it very much a lot. I could probably throw myself into some kind of grand career project at this stage, maybe even with success if I spent enough time planning things out properly, but for right now I’m just glad I’m not still socially obsolete and I’ve dug up a small group of people to hang around with. I have no sense of urgency, sometimes that’s a blessing and sometimes it’s a curse, but I like to let myself be immersed in the silly and the useless; maybe if I enjoy it, it’s not entirely useless.

Thank you for being my Bill Murray though, Chush, I appreciate that.

[quote]Aggv wrote:

That star witness “diamond” reminds me of the HBO movie game change, which chronicled McCain’s selection of Palin. Basically picking a nominee (witness) based only on the fact that she’s on your side with out realized theyre complete fucking retards. [/quote]

lol, stop getting your history from HBO, and stop letting the media form your opinions for you.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

I don’t give a fuck if the teens gang banged, smoked weed, sold drugs, etc. What’s right is right and what’s wrong is wrong. If you’re a juror, and you will allow FB posts, someone not being able to read cursive, and her actions/answers to questions she didn’t know how to answer way heavily over hard core facts, then your intentions were always to side with Zimmerman.
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This post has no logical consistency.

First off, if you “don’t care” if the “teens” “gang banged” (non-sexual meaning here), then your intentions were to always side with Martin. (Sorry I’ve been spelling dude’s name wrong this whole time.)

If Martin was repping a set, it shows a pattern of behavior typical of people who do such things, and strongly backs up Zimmerman’s account of the situation, strongly suggests Martin’s intent was to kill Zimmerman, and clears Zimmerman’s use of deadly force, all while justifying Zimmerman confronting him in the first place. If you don’t care about this, they you don’t care about the integrity of the trail or justice system.

Secondly, a single witnesses’ testimony, their account of the situation is not, nor will it ever be “hard core fact”. Facts are provable, witnesses can lie, and she has been shown to have lied repeatedly from day one. Without a video, or multiple people with the same account of the situation, her testimony is not fact, let alone anywhere near hardcore.

Third, again, she has been shown to have lied, even about things she said just hours before under oath. (Watch the liveleak video posted. They caught her lying there.) So of course you have to weight “FB posts, someone not being able to read cursive, and her actions/answers to questions” when thinking in terms of reasonable doubt. Because the following situations are equally reasonable:

  1. She lied initially to authorities, and is finally telling the truth now in court
  2. She told the truth initially to authorities, and is now lying in court.

(As an aside, it isn’t that she can’t “read cursive”, which is a joke in and of itself, but it is that she has represented that she, herself, wrote the damn letter. No one gives two shits if this girl keep up continuous exposure to cursive in order to retain the ability to read it (much like reading music), people care about the letter was supposedly written by her in the first place. She is a liar.)

I don’t have a problem with your opinion, it is what it is. But you are obviously biased in this thread.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

That star witness “diamond” reminds me of the HBO movie game change, which chronicled McCain’s selection of Palin. Basically picking a nominee (witness) based only on the fact that she’s on your side with out realized theyre complete fucking retards. [/quote]

lol, stop getting your history from HBO, and stop letting the media form your opinions for you. [/quote]

Hey, the station that put George Bush’s head on a stake as a “joke” in Game of Thrones is not biased and won’t lie. Those are some classy, deep-thinkin people!

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

I don’t give a fuck if the teens gang banged, smoked weed, sold drugs, etc. What’s right is right and what’s wrong is wrong. If you’re a juror, and you will allow FB posts, someone not being able to read cursive, and her actions/answers to questions she didn’t know how to answer way heavily over hard core facts, then your intentions were always to side with Zimmerman.
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This post has no logical consistency.

First off, if you “don’t care” if the “teens” “gang banged” (non-sexual meaning here), then your intentions were to always side with Martin. (Sorry I’ve been spelling dude’s name wrong this whole time.)

If Martin was repping a set, it shows a pattern of behavior typical of people who do such things, and strongly backs up Zimmerman’s account of the situation, strongly suggests Martin’s intent was to kill Zimmerman, and clears Zimmerman’s use of deadly force, all while justifying Zimmerman confronting him in the first place. If you don’t care about this, they you don’t care about the integrity of the trail or justice system.

Secondly, a single witnesses’ testimony, their account of the situation is not, nor will it ever be “hard core fact”. Facts are provable, witnesses can lie, and she has been shown to have lied repeatedly from day one. Without a video, or multiple people with the same account of the situation, her testimony is not fact, let alone anywhere near hardcore.

Third, again, she has been shown to have lied, even about things she said just hours before under oath. (Watch the liveleak video posted. They caught her lying there.) So of course you have to weight “FB posts, someone not being able to read cursive, and her actions/answers to questions” when thinking in terms of reasonable doubt. Because the following situations are equally reasonable:

  1. She lied initially to authorities, and is finally telling the truth now in court
  2. She told the truth initially to authorities, and is now lying in court.

(As an aside, it isn’t that she can’t “read cursive”, which is a joke in and of itself, but it is that she has represented that she, herself, wrote the damn letter. No one gives two shits if this girl keep up continuous exposure to cursive in order to retain the ability to read it (much like reading music), people care about the letter was supposedly written by her in the first place. She is a liar.)

I don’t have a problem with your opinion, it is what it is. But you are obviously biased in this thread. [/quote]

Get with the modern program:

Dark skin good. Light skin bad.

Exception if gay; gay trumps black. Ask Roy Hibbert, for example, who was fined $75,000 for saying “no homo” after complimenting the play of another player.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

If Martin was repping a set, it shows a pattern of behavior typical of people who do such things, and strongly backs up Zimmerman’s account of the situation, strongly suggests Martin’s intent was to kill Zimmerman, and clears Zimmerman’s use of deadly force, all while justifying Zimmerman confronting him in the first place. [/quote]

What do you mean a pattern of ‘‘behaviour typical of people who do such things’’? Was Trayvon smoking when Zimcunt confronted him? Was Trayvon flicking his finger a la gangsta at Zimcunt as he walked back to his father’s home? Was Trayvon pointing a gun at that fat pig as he walked back to his dad’s home?

So Zimmcunt was right to confront Trayvon, even though he was asked not to follow him and stay in his car? He was right to confront Trayvon because the kid has a hood on and, walked a certain way, which to some people, means ‘‘trouble’’, right?

We’ve got the account of a killer against his deceased victim’s. Trayvon’s obviously not there to give his side of the story. But anything Zimmercunt has said is the absolute truth.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Secondly, a single witnesses’ testimony, their account of the situation is not, nor will it ever be “hard core fact”. Facts are provable, witnesses can lie, and she has been shown to have lied repeatedly from day one. Without a video, or multiple people with the same account of the situation, her testimony is not fact, let alone anywhere near hardcore.

Third, again, she has been shown to have lied, even about things she said just hours before under oath. (Watch the liveleak video posted. They caught her lying there.) So of course you have to weight “FB posts, someone not being able to read cursive, and her actions/answers to questions” when thinking in terms of reasonable doubt. Because the following situations are equally reasonable:

  1. She lied initially to authorities, and is finally telling the truth now in court
  2. She told the truth initially to authorities, and is now lying in court.

(As an aside, it isn’t that she can’t “read cursive”, which is a joke in and of itself, but it is that she has represented that she, herself, wrote the damn letter. No one gives two shits if this girl keep up continuous exposure to cursive in order to retain the ability to read it (much like reading music), people care about the letter was supposedly written by her in the first place. She is a liar.)

I don’t have a problem with your opinion, it is what it is. But you are obviously biased in this thread. [/quote]

Just as you’ve been biased since your first post in this thread. Sue me, CB. Fucking sue me.

I agree with you; witnesses lie. There are no ‘perfect’ witnesses that comport themselves how you would like them to be 100% of the time. Ever even witnessed a random trial? All manner of peeps are involved.

Did she lie about what happened that night? Was she consistent with the events of that night (the only reason she was in that stand in the first place) or not? You mentioned Zimmercunt’s account; has it been consistent since that fatal night? I’m sure you’re aware that cunt changed his statement several times, no?

Yes, Rachel lied about some stuff, but she stuck to her story, the convo she had with Trayvon on the night he was killed. She made it quite clear that zimmcunt followed, confronted, and then killed trayvon.

What makes a believable witness is up to the jury. Rachel was not there to put on a show or be an advocate for Trayvon. That was not her role. And if the jury thought she was doing that, they would have discounted her entire testimony.

Now we wait. They’ll make up their mind. Let’s not forget as well, that a trial is never based upon the testimony of one person.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

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[quote]four60 wrote:

They should fear white dick more since the actual rapes are 4 times that amount so over 60 thousand white guys did some "“white wimmenz” damage.
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are u sure bout dat?[/quote]

As sure as you are about the other stats.[/quote]

huehue well I don’t think anyone buys it[/quote]

I feel ya, FBI is always making up reported rapes in 2008. Sneaky fucks
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Wrassle with the pig, get all muddy, Four.

Stay clean, man.[/quote]

I can only guess that “wrassel” is indication of some form of struggle. This is more like “ice skating” cool and without effort.
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I believe he meant to say “Wrastle”, which is somewhat of a word play on “Wrestle”. Excuse him though, he’s been living in Asia for a long time and some of the kiddy slang eludes him nowadays.[/quote]

Man, no kidding.

I am so culturally challenged anymore! I had to ask a young relative, “Who is this Justin Beiber people are talking about?”

Needless to say, I get laughed at a fair amount by my niece and nephew.[/quote]

All you have to do is get down with this new-fangled “dubstep twerk” everyone is talking about at da clubz.[/quote]

Do you kids actually save memes (or whatever you call that picture) on your computer, waiting for a chance to post it somewhere? WTF?[/quote]

As far as I know there’s no way to post it up through the URL here, so I’m resigned to saving them into a folder. But if I have some really good ones on call they can come in real handy when there’s a comedy drought, especially now that sites that didn’t before are allowing posted jpegs.

I can change my avatar through the URL though, so at least there’s that, otherwise I’d have taken up a ridiculous amount of computer space with artsy posters over the years.[/quote]

Kind of my point.

Why go to the trouble of saving those things? Are they that much fun to post?

That’s just too much investment in the e-thing for me, though it seems you do it.[/quote]

If only you knew just how long I have been sitting on this one and finally it has beautiful context. Thank you for the epic assist.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Get with the modern program:

Dark skin good. Light skin bad.

Exception if gay; gay trumps black. Ask Roy Hibbert, for example, who was fined $75,000 for saying “no homo” after complimenting the play of another player.[/quote]

You’re a fucking imbecile.

I’d suggest you go seat somewhere away from your pc. You come from a land that conducts an Apartheid system and keep Palestinians in camps, and you have the fucking guts to whinge about bigotry. You’re the foulest of bigots.

All skins are good. White, black, red, brown etc… The only issue is with those who mock and denigrate races they deem inferior to them. This is exactly what you and some others have pretty much been doing in this thread. A thread that is about a trial, has quickly turned into an anti-black thread.

You have an issue with me defending my race? Fuck you.

All edits to adult level conversation mine. Original intent of the posts should not be altered.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

What do you mean a pattern of ‘‘behaviour typical of people who do such things’’?[/quote]

lol. Just lol.

Does the mindset and behavior pattern of a typically “gangbanger” really need to be explained to anyone older than 7? Different gangs have different tendencies, Hells Angles typically break different laws than the ASAIN BOYZ, but they all have a common demeanor and viewpoint towards law, authority and how to act in certain instances. They tend to be criminally minded. Criminally minded people are much quicker to react to a confrontation with violence than the local choir boy.

I have said more than once, Zimmerman getting out of the car was poor judgment. However, he, you and I have every right to speak to anyone on the street we wish for whatever reason we wish.

I never said any of those things, but nice try.

Anyway, you are confusing “being right” with “having the right”.

Yes, Zimmerman had every right to speak to Martin. No, it was not good judgment, in hindsight.

I never even implied as much… Not sure where you are getting this.

If I’m biased, it is towards the cluster fuck of shitty media coverage and race baiting by POTUS and other elected officials and Hollywood mouth boxes.

As for the actual case, I’m bias towards the truth, and seeing that justice is served. I do not believe murder charge is justice. Manslaughter on the other hand, I wouldn’t argue is excessive, depending on a couple of things.

That said, if Zimmerman was the one who initiated physical contact, then murder 2 becomes much more appropriate.

I don’t know. She has lied about enough, where there is more than enough reasonable doubt that she is full of shit now, and, if I was on the jury, I would largely be leaning towards her testimony helping create reasonable doubt for the defense.

Hence why I am looking at Martian’s past and the possible pattern of behavior it shows. The main reason for having the witnesses is to see if there is weight to Zimmerman’s account, or if he is full of shit.

I’ve said before, that Zimmerman’s judgment has been shown to be lapse at differing points throughout this.

LOL. Not only does this statement contradict itself, it isn’t even true. Her initial statement to police had people saying different things than he trail testimony, and I don’t believe she could hear grass in the initial statement, whatever that sounds like.

Correct. A proven liar, who calls white people “crackers” has stated as such. Pardon me while I am suspect of her statements.

Correct. Cook’s account of the situation sure does help out Zimmerman as well.

Unless i have missed something the prosecutor has not proven any part of his opening statements. The only part that rings true is that Zimmerman is an idiot excusable for a regular citizen unforgiving for us that carry. YES we that carry must think and act different than someone who does not because our actions can be more severe if we slip.

What if Trey was not alone. What if he was a real lookout for bad guys and Zimm was walking into a trap. Now he has given the bad guys a gun, his. Zimm also had the option of calling the other Watch captians to warn them of trouble from the safety of his car. Instead he wanted to be a detective, not just leaving his car but walking a distance that he lost site of his vehicle and sandwiched himself between homes turning his neighbors with any squeeze of his trigger into a kill zone.

None of this is something he will go to jail for because the prosecutors got greedy and believed the hype and over shot.

Zimmermans police record is added evidence of him being over zealous and acting without much thought.

Just my opinion but Zimm is an idot not a blood lusting killer. Trey was a 17yr old kid who had been a dumbass in school and seemed to need better guidance out of school.

[quote]four60 wrote:

Just my opinion but Zimm is an idot not a blood lusting killer. [/quote]

Agreed. A manslaughter charge is by and large much more appropriate.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

lol. Just lol.

Does the mindset and behavior pattern of a typically “gangbanger” really need to be explained to anyone older than 7?..d the local choir boy. [/quote]

Don’t flatter yourself. That wasn’t the point I was trying to convey.

You’ve said this: ‘‘If Martin was repping a set, it shows a pattern of behavior typical of …while justifying Zimmerman confronting him in the first place.’’

What are the pattern of behaviour typical of people who do such things? What are they? Tell me. You said those patterns justified Zimmbitch in confronting Trayvon. What are those patterns you speak of? What behaviour are you referring to? Wearing a hood and walking a certain way proves you belong to a gang now? Does it mean that people, including whites, who dress that way are thugs?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but during his call to the dispatcher, that fat bastard never mentioned he thought Trayvon belonged to a gang. He saw a black young kid, with a hood on and followed him. Your statement above gives me the impression, Zimcunt knew Trayvon was a ‘‘gangbanger’’ beforehand, and, that the kid was doing something illegal prior being stalked and confronted by the fat bastard.

On the night in question Trayvon was NOT engaging in anything illegal. He was walking home. Zimmerman had no right pursuing him. Zimmerman instigated the entire confrontation and now Trayvon’s blood is on his hands.

Zimcunt racially profiled Trayvon. Period.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I have said more than once, Zimmerman getting out of the car was poor judgment. However, he, you and I have every right to speak to anyone on the street we wish for whatever reason we wish. [/quote]

Lol.

Way to divert from the original fact that Zimcunt got out of his car and stalked an unarmed kid.
Oh yeah, I get ya. We all have the right to talk to people we’ve been stalking blocks after blocks.

Creep.

:wink:

[quote]darkninjaa wrote:
So Zimmerman was right to confront Trayvon, even though he was asked not to follow him and stay in his car? He was right to confront Trayvon because the kid has a hood on and, walked a certain way, which to some people, means ‘‘trouble’’, right? [/quote]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I never said any of those things, but nice try. [/quote]

Thank you :slight_smile: It’s called having a conversation and counter arguing. You insinuated, that Trayvon’s ‘‘demeanour’’, ‘‘pattern, behaviour etc…’’ justified Zimcunt confronting him. You talked about being a ‘‘gangbanger.’’ Therefore, based on your statement, wearing a hood and having a certain swag is the perfect reason to be confronted by some trigger happy bitch.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

I don’t know. She has lied about enough, where there is more than enough reasonable doubt that she is full of shit now, and, if I was on the jury, I would largely be leaning towards her testimony helping create reasonable doubt for the defense. [/quote]

And as I said before, CB, what makes a believable witness is up to the jury.

[quote]countingbeans wrote
LOL. Not only does this statement contradict itself, it isn’t even true. Her initial statement to police had people saying different things than he trail testimony, and I don’t believe she could hear grass in the initial statement, whatever that sounds like. [/quote]

LOL.

The same could be said about Zimmercunt statement.

That cunt has lied at every step. He was ‘‘afraid’’ but stated he was following Trayvon --even though the dispatcher told him not to? He had a gun but was screaming for help? His head was bashed against concrete. EMT said he was complaining of injuries to his head after being continuously ‘‘bashed’’ into the pavement. Yet witnesses saw Zimmerman standing over Trayvon with no fucking dizziness.

He had no contusion, concussion, brain damage not feared. He was aware enough to speak to police for hours. Damn! Fuck! What a great guy!! Shall we call him Mr Glass?

[quote]countingbeans wrote
Correct. A proven liar, who calls white people “crackers” has stated as such. Pardon me while I am suspect of her statements. [/quote]

Crackers: name of some kind of biscuit.

Crackers, according to the Merriam dictionary: usually disparaging: a poor, usually Southern white; capitalized: a native or resident of Florida or Georgia – used as a nickname.

Meh, I guess the C word has been used by blacks to: tie a white person up and whip them blood dry; make them feel inferior to blacks; deny a white person a seat at a lunch counter; systematically deny whites the right to vote; Deny a white person a seat near the front of a bus; crack the skulls of peaceful white protesters marching for equality; burn white families alive while dressed in white robes and pointy hats; blow up a church and kill four little white girls. Lynch whites for centuries…

Do I need to go on?.. but yeah, some blacks use that word to insult a whites. But does it bear the grievous, historical freight of the N word? Not even fucking close.

But, hey, if Rachel using that word, makes her the ultimate ‘‘racist’’ and, since she is Trayvon’s friend, then coolio! By all means, you and the jury must discount her testimony.

[quote]countingbeans wrote
Correct. Cook’s account of the situation sure does help out Zimmerman as well. [/quote]

Yeap. And, let’s not forget Selma Mora’s who witnessed Zimmerman on top of Trayvon! You could see that fat bastard was about to piss his pants behind that desk as she testifies against him :slight_smile:

Would DN be so emotionally invested in this case if Trayvon were a Jew? Or even better - had the ethnicity of the involved parties been reversed?

[quote]drunkpig wrote:
Would DN be so emotionally invested in this case if Trayvon were a Jew? Or even better - had the ethnicity of the involved parties been reversed?

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Lol.

ADDRESS ME, instead of being a passive aggressive bitch.

[quote]drunkpig wrote:
Would DN be so emotionally invested in this case if Trayvon were a Jew? Or even better - had the ethnicity of the involved parties been reversed?

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No. But I would :smiley: haha

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:
Would DN be so emotionally invested in this case if Trayvon were a Jew? Or even better - had the ethnicity of the involved parties been reversed?

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Lol.

ADDRESS ME, instead of being a passive aggressive bitch.
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It was a discussion question. Feel free to answer. Or not. I could give a shit. Bitch.

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[quote]SickSex6 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Wait…Rockninja is black?

Well now that makes more sense.
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Lol. Youre still on this? 4 months of thinking about me and some conspriracy?

Damn man. I feel terrible for anyone you know. I bet you harp on meaningless shit forever

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Ummmm so which half of Ct Rockninja’s other account is this?[/quote]

Really. Who has the kind of time that takes to have at least three acounts?