Trayvon Martin Pt. 3.. The Legacy Pt. 2

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Totally agree. DN’s statement on the issue is perhaps the single most ignorant thing I have read on this site. And I’ve read a lot of ignorant shit from other posters, most of it also coming from DN.

What do you think a pimp is? A pimp is someone who literally forces women into or keeps them locked into sexual slavery. And yet, almost all hip-hop artists out there, and many areas of “black” culture in general, hold up being a pimp as something “cool”. The fact is that no racial demographic in this country glorifies slavery more than blacks do, which is beyond ironic and why no one who is black and tries to play the racism card as hard and fast as DN does has ANY credibility.

Shit, for someone who is allegedly as into the dominatrix scene as DN claims to be it sure does have a finely-honed sense of victimization. What a racist fucking fraud DN is.[/quote]
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Why don’t you address this point instead of ignoring it? It’s a completely valid point that I’ve made. You and I both know that many aspects of black culture, especially in hip-hop music, glorify being a pimp. But a pimp is nothing more than someone who owns or oversees slaves. Sex slaves in this case. I encourage you to visit the S.T.O.P. website and investigate further if you think that most prostitutes sell their bodies of their own accord (STOP is Stop Trafficking Of People).

What do you think about this? Sure, many areas of American culture in general glorify being a pimp, including many white people. But don’t you think that blacks should be the first to rise above it, given their horrific past as slaves themselves in this country? What are your feelings about this? How does it make you feel when you see black hip-hop artists glorifying modern slavery instead of fighting against it?[/quote]

You know, I have actually heard that pimpin aint in fact easy. Just saying. [/quote]

Fuck off. It’s a legitimate issue that I’ve brought up several times now and it’s been completely ignored by both Professor X and DN. If they want to have any credibility on the issue, not just in this thread but in general, this is definitely an issue that needs to be addressed at some point. You can’t cry racism at every turn, whine about institutionalized racism, bring up the history of slavery on a regular basis and then ignore the fact that blacks regularly glorify modern-day slavery and don’t even realize what they’re doing.[/quote]

Well fuck you to. I am in agreement with you and been arguing with those two this entire time as well.

Relax, take a breath and then realize that it was a joke in reference to the glorification of sex slavery through hip hop in reference to Big Daddy Kane’s hit song ‘Pimpin Aint Easy’ that has been covered and romanticized by countless artists to date along with countless pop culture references.

Fark I guess i need to dumb down my jokes from now on or I might entire the Dennis Miller zone.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

A silly pic.

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Just in case anyone cares, that says, “Nani?” or “What?”

First one I’ve seen on Japanese.[/quote]

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Huh?[/quote]

I tried to paste in some Japanese characters and my attempt failed miserably.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

Fark I guess i need to dumb down my jokes from now on or I might entire the Dennis Miller zone. [/quote]

Unemployed?

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LOL at over ten pages of nonsense after I last logged in and also at ten different people thinking I will waste the next 5 hours even trying to attend to every single post directed at me personally.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

The entire argument is convoluted and conflating a couple issues.

I think there is validity to a person’s skin color drawing “negative” attention to themselves in certain neighborhoods.

However, I think looking to crime stats as a basis for an argument about race relations is a massive mistake, because it conflates economic issues with skin tone issues. [/quote]

Then we agree. So again, how is it people are saying whites are at greater risk pf physical harm in some areas due to race alone if there is no data supporting this and the data we do have shows that blacks are at greatest risk?

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Alright, so I won’t bust your balls about it if you don’t bust mine, deal?[/quote]

Deal…but I do find it strange it comes up so often. I don’t see any of you “denouncing” what other people are saying on this forum or in this thread.

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Unreasonable people? I’d rather not justify the ludicrous to be honest. Let’s stick with your and my opinion.

How bad do you think it is?[/quote]

I think it is “bad” enough to still need much work and the need for Affirmative Action itself needs to be evaluated the same way that allowed it to be instituted in the first place to answer that question with any more facts.

I don’t think anyone but those extremely ill-equipped to do well in life at all are assuming that all white people’s lives are so much better.

I think it is simply being acknowledged that BECAUSE whites are the majority, issues like looking at black men and calling them thugs based on a style of clothing alone is tolerated.

In the 90’s, it was the sideways baseball cap…then the cross color jeans…then the baggy pants (mind you, baggy pants are now tolerated cross culturally)…then the sagging pants.

No offense, but to an outsider, it could appear that pretty much anything that defines young black men or is seen in mostly young black men alone gets a very negative label.

How do you see this “phenomenon”?

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Lol, as if you could give a fuck about blacks.
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Wow you are so racist lol.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Maybe you should be fucking mad over the posters who cry and cry about dangerous ‘‘blackanized’’ towns where whites are being terrorized. That’s fucking pathetic. Had I been white, I’d be mad if someone said a black person terrorizes me.[/quote]
Where is that, because I agree with you.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Why are you here?[/quote]

To discuss this topic.

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You complain about not being able to have an actual discussion and yet you’ve ignored my last few attempts to do so with you.[/quote]

I wasn’t aware I ignored you at all. This thread is filled with too many posts and covers too many pages to even think that your own stand out against it that much.

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How about you start by discussing why you think it is relevant to point out that crime statistics do not record every single crime being committed.[/quote]

Because without ANY knowledge of even how many crimes are being committed, one can never say that one group is committing most of it.

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If the rate at which crimes are committed remain the same with every ethnic group in those stats, even if the raw numbers are different, then it is irrelevant to mention that the stats don’t represent reality. Or do you think that crime stats are not representative of the trends they show? Do you think that the actual crime rate amongst whites is really higher than it is amongst blacks? And if so, how do you know this?[/quote]

None of what you wrote here seems to acknowledge the simple fact that
-You don’t know how much crime (violent or non-violent) is going on
-Profiling alone leads to more arrests of those being profiled.

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Secondly, could you discuss my response as to why sagging your pants makes you a thug? You demanded to know why someone said such a thing and I answered, although I responded directly to DN and not you.[/quote]

What response? Do you really think I plan to dig through 40 pages to find your one response?

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Thirdly, what about the whole “pimp/hoe” thing? Don’t you think it reeks of ignorance for a group of people who, on the one hand were enslaved themselves at one point and decry this (as they rightly should) but then turn right around and literally glorify being a pimp, which is nothing more than glorifying being a slaveowner? I discussed this in more detail earlier. Perhaps if you want to have a discussion you could start by addressing these three points I’ve made.[/quote]

The “pimp ho” thing?

WTF?

Are you saying this only occurs with black people and there are no white hoes and pimps?

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Read Fischers re-quotes please. No one said wearing sagging pants is criminal behavior in and of itself. All that was said was that someone walking down the street with their WHOLE ASS hanging out and holding their crotch to keep their pants from dropping to their ankles would be PERCIEVED as a thug and is dressing that way because they WANT that perception.[/quote]

…and it was said to you that what was posted was a picture of a black man who DID NOT have his whole ass hanging out but simply had his pants sagging…and it was said he was a THUG.

Why would you assume they want to be “perceived as a thug” if this is simply a trend and style seen mostly in Hip Hop…the largest cultural and musical force this country has seen as far as trends?

They could just like listening to Lil Wayne…which means YOU ALONE are the one calling them a thug or perceiving them that way.

WHY?

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Is that criminal? Does that in and of itself MAKE someone a thug or drug dealer? No and no. All that was said was that the person walking around like that was MORE LIKELY to be profiled that way over someone in a suit.[/quote]

…and once again, it was said to you that labeling cultural trends as CRIMINAL simply gives you justification to show bias towards an entire group of people who follow said trend.

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And just to add, no one said BLACK people with sagging pants other than you. I (and others) just described the dress with no mention of skin color. I know and have seen plenty of white people that dress like that and they are perceived the same way.[/quote]

Aaaaah, and while that may be, it still allows you to label anyone following that trend negatively…which affects who in majority?

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It is strange how some are just here to attack me personally.

I guess that is what people do when they can’t support the words they type.

If you can’t debate what is written without that, how “witty” do you think that makes you look?

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…and since the pic was posted…look at them arms!!!

Hell yeah, motorcycle accident recovery and progress made.

After 36 pages, maybe some here should spend more time in the gym too.

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White pimp, David Tabor.

[quote]Meet David Wayne (of course) Tabor. The 52-year-old was arrested at Longview’s optimistically-named Palace Inn motel as part of a street sweep of prostitutes in that city that also netted the arrests of seven women and a one other man.

Tabor was not picked up as a john. Apparently, one or more of the women was under the spell of this frazzled-and-addled ogre’s mackin’, because he was charged with promoting prostitution. [/quote]

WHY IS THIS TOLERATED BY WHITE PEOPLE!!!

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PX’s shoulders are fucking enormous

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[quote]csulli wrote:
PX’s shoulders are fucking enormous[/quote]

Oh, it’s just fat.

Black people know how to flex fat.

Half of Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson is pure adipose.

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

You people are retarded. There is more evidence that points to Martin initiating the altercation than there is that points to Zimmerman. The only way you can deny this is if you’re completely fucking ignorant or you have literally skipped every article and piece of FACTUAL information provided to back this up. [/quote]

Oh yeah You mean like GZ testimony as if it was passed down staright from Mt Sinai… [/quote]

No, im sure the direction in which you were manipulated by the media is totally spot-on.

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Chimmichangas. The fact that people seriously acted like Sever’s post made any semblance of sense truly shows there is legitimate trolling going on in this thread.

X, we already know you don’t address people who argue with numbers and data, just opinions. It’s too difficult.

I hope you all enjoy the next 15 pages of nothing that’s about to be posted, that will get this thread no where. In fact, I expect a part 4. Should be entertainingly pitiful as always.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:

X, we already know you don’t address people who argue with numbers and data, just opinions. It’s too difficult.
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This implies that the “numbers and data” are not affected at all by cultural trends…which is illogical and ludicrous.

I have addressed people who argue with numbers and data.

Counting numbers addressed this point just fine in the very first quote above when he said:

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The entire argument is convoluted and conflating a couple issues.

I think there is validity to a person’s skin color drawing “negative” attention to themselves in certain neighborhoods.

However, I think looking to crime stats as a basis for an argument about race relations is a massive mistake, because it conflates economic issues with skin tone issues.[/quote]

…and he works with numbers as his JOB.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Speaking of names, if this would have first been reported locally as “Jorge Mesa” claims self defense in shooting of Trayvon Martin, would it really have become a huge national story? Would it really have been grown into a movement?

Here’s my reasoning behind asking this hypothetical. In the earliest accounts it’s an supposedly a white guy kills black controversy. George Zimmerman. Gets the national inertia going before people are familiar with Zimmerman, his face, and heritage. His father being white, and his mother the Peruvian immigrant. Only later did “white,” when it became difficult to maintain as people began to recognize photos, become “white-Hispanic.” Instead of multi-racial Hispanic…His mother having, I don’t know, some mestizo/Afro-Peruvian heritage. Probably not exact, but these terms seem to change depending on who you are and where you are.

But, as a hypothetical, had his father been the Peruvian immigrant, and his mother white, he could’ve realistically been Jorge Mesa. In fact, that is his uncle’s name (mother’s side).

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No it wouldn’t be a national controversy. As said all the time, and as derailed by every closet racist, the crime isn’t the issue. The response and reaction is. Plenty of hispanics would’ve either said that’s fucked up jorge should go to jail, or hell yeah he killed that ni**s. Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed then looking around like why are you calling us racist.
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Justifying? Justifying how our justice system works? [/quote]
Is there a need for a question mark? I clearly stated what they are justifying, then you make up your own justification. Again proving the point of racism because your trying to rationalize what I said by totally avoiding the issue. I’ll say it again.

“Instead we have a million white people JUSTIFYING, and RATIONALIZING Trayvon getting killed”

Last I remember you weren’t on the jury. The same people screaming “OJ IS GUILTY!!!” are all of a sudden screaming “I trust the court systems got it right this time.” What all of a sudden they(you) are incapable of an opinion? All of a sudden you can’t speculate? I’ve heard two of Aaron Hernandez teammates siding with him, and they were heavily ridiculed. He hasn’t even went to court yet. Maybe he should rename himself Aaron Zimmerman.

That’s all it took was the reasonable possibility that Martin did that. Obviously we can’t be sure as there is not enough evidence, so if the court system is supposed to work then it played out like it is supposed to.

Someone told me while arguing about this in a barbershop, “I wish Martin was afforded the same rights as Zimmerman.”

All I could muster was, “You mean mobs of people wanting to lynch him, his family, friends, lawyers, &c. based off the perceived color of his skin?”[/quote]

No what they meant was the right to walk home without getting killed, but that went over your head right?

I guess all the mobs wanting to lynch him is worse then one guy actually killing him.

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Nice very short and to the point… What I think is being missed here is big picture vs small picture. GZ never identified who he was. From TMs stand point he didnt know who GZ was. TMs right to defend himeself went out the window once he became the winner of the altercation created by GZ’s actions. If someone was following me I’d likely react the same way at 17. Imagine someones stalking you its fight or flight and TM paid the price for his self defense.
Yes based on the law GM was defending himself in that 2 minute altercation but prior to that 2 minutes GM was responsible for creating that altercation by stalking TM. The jurrors have spoke and pretty much they were stuck with just judging that 2 minute part of the incident as it was the moment of impact. Why its so hard to see that TM feared GM was stalking him I dont get. A guy following we in the dark chasing me after I’ve done nothing wrong seems like a good reason to throw down or at least get the jump on my atacker. Black white purple or blue the reaction to someone chasing you would either be run or fight. Also lets not discount he viewed the world throgh a 17s yr olds eyes

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No this is not a normal reaction. This is called a criminal action. TMs actions are not justifiable, you cannot attack someone because someone is following you. GZ was not stalking TM. At all. GZ was not breaking the law AT ALL. TM broke the law when we attacked GZ.

I have been a varsity athlete from high school to college, wrestling is one of my sports. I box when I can get to the gym. I have been in countless street fights, just for fun and because of feuds. I have confidence that if I go toe to toe with the majority of men, I will win.

If I was JUST walking home and someone was following me, I’d run. If I had some criminal intent I’d still run. Zimmerman didn’t have Martin cornered, Martin actually ran away…then he came back to confront Zimmerman because he thought he was gay. [/quote]

Zimmerman had gone back to meet the police when Martin approached him, lets not forget that. Essentially, instead of choosing to go on his merry way, Martin decided he’d rather force a confrontation.

Did none of you see the pictures of Zimmerman’s lacerated head and broken nose? There is no doubt he was on his back, getting his head slammed into the ground as was described by a WITNESS and Zimmerman. If i had a gone and someone is trying to split my head like a watermelon, i’d use it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
White pimp, David Tabor.

[quote]Meet David Wayne (of course) Tabor. The 52-year-old was arrested at Longview’s optimistically-named Palace Inn motel as part of a street sweep of prostitutes in that city that also netted the arrests of seven women and a one other man.

Tabor was not picked up as a john. Apparently, one or more of the women was under the spell of this frazzled-and-addled ogre’s mackin’, because he was charged with promoting prostitution. [/quote]

WHY IS THIS TOLERATED BY WHITE PEOPLE!!![/quote]

Wow you are really missing the point here. While their is white pimps, “pimpin” is not GLORIFIED in white entertainment the way “pimpin” is GLORIFIED in black entertainment.

You are also missing the hypocrisy a style of slavery being GLORIFIED by a race that was enslaved in the past.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
In regards to the pages and pages about “white privilege” I think everyone should chill the fuck out. Its a term created by Sociologists to describe the advantage being white affords you over being a minority. I doesnt mean being born white is like being born royalty. Think of it like being born with a slight point advantage. Like how handicappers give out a point spread in a football game (real football not socar). These case studies have been shown over and over it exists. Discounting social science is like discounting any other science its just dumb. Like the world is flat or dinosours never lived.
Sociology isnt some liberal/Obama agenda to take your guns away or convert you to Islam its just another science like biology, chemistry, or biology… In 2013 do we really have to pretend theres no such thing as classism and racial bias in the judicial & socio economic construct in the USA Pretending or denying it exists is like denying AIDS exists just because you don?t have it or deal with it doesn?t mean its note there. For Christ sake we aren?t talking about Bigfoot or aliens here?
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Can I get some case studies that show that whites are superior to other skin colors?[/quote]

Really lol. This is gonna be rich. So you are going to justify your reason to believe you are superior to other races. Preach on, and White Power! [/quote]

No, you say there is white privilege. Which is basically white supremacy. So, can you show evidence for white privilege/supremacy?

I think white people are inherently equal to other people. You’re claiming that we are superior somehow, so I would like you to produce evidence.[/quote]

Superior how? I never made such a claim, you did. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me, I’m about as mixed as anyone could be.

Are you talking things like having more or less melanin in skin to deal with different sun and weather conditions? Having small skin flaps on the eyes and a small penis as an adaptation to deal with very harsh and cold conditions? You want to talk about difference in body structure? East Asians vs. Europeans? Because there are some slight differences that lead to different lifting styles and explanations when it comes to Olympic lifting, etc? Is there reason behind Louie Simmons claim that Chinese women have a stronger clean, but European women have a stronger Jerk or something? There’s always a tradeoff, someone might be better in a certain physical environment due to special adaptations, but that’s it! Otherwise we are the same.

There is no superior, they are just physical adaptations that may be beneficial in one environment, but a slight hindrance in another.

So, where are your examples of whites being superior? Your words, not mine.

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Sweet Jesus reading this post makes me feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

Brother Chris: “Prove that there is white supremacy”

Severiano: “Oh so you’re a white supremacist are you? Give me some examples of how you are superior.”

I don’t even…[/quote]

Good, I thought I was the only one confused as hell from that exchange.[/quote]

LOL ive been skipping Severiano’s retarded posts for the last 2 pages now but im glad CSulli decided to provide a brief run-down of what took place. That gave me a chuckle.