Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:
Trayvon Martin Was The Bigot, Thought Zimmerman Was Gay

Probably already posted in the thousand of pages, but still interesting to me.[/quote]
I don’t know. A grown man with dreams of being a cop and who played Batman on the scary streets of a gated community in the early evening hours needed a gun in order to keep a 17 year old kid who weighed less than my dog’s turds from “killing” him with his bare hands. Sounds gay to me. [/quote]

I know multiple people that I wouldn’t fuck with that weigh less than 140. Size isn’t everything its about attitude and knowing how to fight. And just being plain mean and nasty. [/quote]

This, lol.

I’ve met a particularly famous boxer once while working in college. I had no idea who he was until later when a co-worker told me. I’ll be 100% honest, if I was at a bar and this dude was running his mouth, I’d expect him to get his ass handed to him everyday that ends in Y.

Body weight and size can all be rendered moot if the skill level of the two combatants are disproportionate enough.

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:
Trayvon Martin Was The Bigot, Thought Zimmerman Was Gay

Probably already posted in the thousand of pages, but still interesting to me.[/quote]
I don’t know. A grown man with dreams of being a cop and who played Batman on the scary streets of a gated community in the early evening hours needed a gun in order to keep a 17 year old kid who weighed less than my dog’s turds from “killing” him with his bare hands. Sounds gay to me. [/quote]

I know multiple people that I wouldn’t fuck with that weigh less than 140. Size isn’t everything its about attitude and knowing how to fight. And just being plain mean and nasty. [/quote]
Yes, but 17 year old Trayvon was not 17 year old Mike Tyson. He wasn’t big nor was he trained to fight. Zimmerman, if he wanted to put himself in dangerous situations, should have had some training. If he wanted to put himself in dangerous situations while armed he needed that training even more so the gun doesn’t become his primary and sole option. If Zimmerman needed a gun to defend himself from Trayvon, not some hypothetical opponent but the actual person he faced, then it’s sad.

Had this been a cop the same size as Zimmerman things would have been different. People would be questioning his training. His guts. I’m not saying everyone should be able to handle themselves in a fight but I am saying that if you voluntarily put yourself in harm’s way then I hold you to a certain standard of manliness. A real man doesn’t carry his balls in a holster. [/quote]

No matter how big you are or how well trained in a street fight things can go wrong. Jump on any cop or act in an aggressive manner especially around a bad area and expect to get shot. I am not saying that is what happened as we will never truly know what exactly went down that night.

And if you had ever taken any defense courses, you would know what you are saying is absolutely wrong and misinformed. If you carry and ever fear for bodily harm or feel you could be killed or seriously injured, you don’t fight. You standard of manliness be damned; you shoot to kill and end the threat. ALL defense training with firearms teaches this. Why even carry it, if you are just going to MMA style any time a bad situation happens. That would leave for a lot of dead people trying to do the right thing.
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Just like if I ever fight. It’s not for pride or to be a decent man and fight clean. I will only fight to defend myself or someone I care about. My goal is to inflict as much pain and end the fight as fast as possible and you damn well better bet I fight “dirty” to that. [/quote]

Just like in everything you will have bad cowboy types carrying guns, criminals carrying guns, law abiding rational citizens carrying guns (which is the majority btw). A close friend of mine has had his permit for 25 years and I have had mine for going on 6. Neither of us has ever had to shoot anyone and we never want to. Ending a person’s life is never something you want on your conscience even if it was justified by self defense or in defense of another.

Will I always try my best to not shoot someone, IF at all possible? YES, but will I endanger myself or those around me to avoid pulling the trigger? NO, no way in hell.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
And I’m not saying Zimmerman broke any laws; just that he is a pathetic excuse for a man. [/quote]

Not too many people are going to argue this, lol. Dude is dumb as a box of rocks for sure.

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:
Trayvon Martin Was The Bigot, Thought Zimmerman Was Gay

Probably already posted in the thousand of pages, but still interesting to me.[/quote]
I don’t know. A grown man with dreams of being a cop and who played Batman on the scary streets of a gated community in the early evening hours needed a gun in order to keep a 17 year old kid who weighed less than my dog’s turds from “killing” him with his bare hands. Sounds gay to me. [/quote]

I know multiple people that I wouldn’t fuck with that weigh less than 140. Size isn’t everything its about attitude and knowing how to fight. And just being plain mean and nasty. [/quote]
Yes, but 17 year old Trayvon was not 17 year old Mike Tyson. He wasn’t big nor was he trained to fight. Zimmerman, if he wanted to put himself in dangerous situations, should have had some training. If he wanted to put himself in dangerous situations while armed he needed that training even more so the gun doesn’t become his primary and sole option. If Zimmerman needed a gun to defend himself from Trayvon, not some hypothetical opponent but the actual person he faced, then it’s sad.

Had this been a cop the same size as Zimmerman things would have been different. People would be questioning his training. His guts. I’m not saying everyone should be able to handle themselves in a fight but I am saying that if you voluntarily put yourself in harm’s way then I hold you to a certain standard of manliness. A real man doesn’t carry his balls in a holster. [/quote]

No matter how big you are or how well trained in a street fight things can go wrong. Jump on any cop or act in an aggressive manner especially around a bad area and expect to get shot. I am not saying that is what happened as we will never truly know what exactly went down that night.

And if you had ever taken any defense courses, you would know what you are saying is absolutely wrong and misinformed. If you carry and ever fear for bodily harm or feel you could be killed or seriously injured, you don’t fight. You standard of manliness be damned; you shoot to kill and end the threat. ALL defense training with firearms teaches this. Why even carry it, if you are just going to MMA style any time a bad situation happens. That would leave for a lot of dead people trying to do the right thing.
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Just like if I ever fight. It’s not for pride or to be a decent man and fight clean. I will only fight to defend myself or someone I care about. My goal is to inflict as much pain and end the fight as fast as possible and you damn well better bet I fight “dirty” to that. [/quote]

Just like in everything you will have bad cowboy types carrying guns, criminals carrying guns, law abiding rational citizens carrying guns (which is the majority btw). A close friend of mine has had his permit for 25 years and I have had mine for going on 6. Neither of us has ever had to shoot anyone and we never want to. Ending a person’s life is never something you want on your conscience even if it was justified by self defense or in defense of another.

Will I always try my best to not shoot someone, IF at all possible? YES, but will I endanger myself or those around me to avoid pulling the trigger? NO, no way in hell.
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GTFO with your well put together and rational posts.
This thread is for race bating and spouting off nonsense while basing opinions off of emotions.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story big man.
This is T Nation.

I am glad to see that to a large portion of americans feelings make compelling evidence…

bring on the witch hunts!

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:
Trayvon Martin Was The Bigot, Thought Zimmerman Was Gay

http://www.inquisitr.com/854453/trayvon-martin-was-the-bigot-thought-zimmerman-was-gay/

Probably already posted in the thousand of pages, but still interesting to me.[/quote]
I don’t know. A grown man with dreams of being a cop and who played Batman on the scary streets of a gated community in the early evening hours needed a gun in order to keep a 17 year old kid who weighed less than my dog’s turds from “killing” him with his bare hands. Sounds gay to me. [/quote]

I know multiple people that I wouldn’t fuck with that weigh less than 140. Size isn’t everything its about attitude and knowing how to fight. And just being plain mean and nasty. [/quote]
Yes, but 17 year old Trayvon was not 17 year old Mike Tyson. He wasn’t big nor was he trained to fight. Zimmerman, if he wanted to put himself in dangerous situations, should have had some training. If he wanted to put himself in dangerous situations while armed he needed that training even more so the gun doesn’t become his primary and sole option. If Zimmerman needed a gun to defend himself from Trayvon, not some hypothetical opponent but the actual person he faced, then it’s sad.

Had this been a cop the same size as Zimmerman things would have been different. People would be questioning his training. His guts. I’m not saying everyone should be able to handle themselves in a fight but I am saying that if you voluntarily put yourself in harm’s way then I hold you to a certain standard of manliness. A real man doesn’t carry his balls in a holster. [/quote]

No matter how big you are or how well trained in a street fight things can go wrong. Jump on any cop or act in an aggressive manner especially around a bad area and expect to get shot. I am not saying that is what happened as we will never truly know what exactly went down that night.

And if you had ever taken any defense courses, you would know what you are saying is absolutely wrong and misinformed. If you carry and ever fear for bodily harm or feel you could be killed or seriously injured, you don’t fight. You standard of manliness be damned; you shoot to kill and end the threat. ALL defense training with firearms teaches this. Why even carry it, if you are just going to MMA style any time a bad situation happens. That would leave for a lot of dead people trying to do the right thing.
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Like

Just like if I ever fight. It’s not for pride or to be a decent man and fight clean. I will only fight to defend myself or someone I care about. My goal is to inflict as much pain and end the fight as fast as possible and you damn well better bet I fight “dirty” to that. [/quote]

Just like in everything you will have bad cowboy types carrying guns, criminals carrying guns, law abiding rational citizens carrying guns (which is the majority btw). A close friend of mine has had his permit for 25 years and I have had mine for going on 6. Neither of us has ever had to shoot anyone and we never want to. Ending a person’s life is never something you want on your conscience even if it was justified by self defense or in defense of another.

Will I always try my best to not shoot someone, IF at all possible? YES, but will I endanger myself or those around me to avoid pulling the trigger? NO, no way in hell.
[/quote]
GTFO with your well put together and rational posts.
This thread is for race bating and spouting off nonsense while basing opinions off of emotions.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story big man.
This is T Nation.[/quote]

Sorry good sirs and mams. I will go back under my rock where my rational thoughts can be kept to myself!

http://rt.com/usa/obama-lohier-ndaa-stay-414/

I like you Bauber.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Ive never been so sad for black people as i am now, reading this atrocious racist rant of yours.

May god never show mercy on your soul.[/quote]
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Sadly, this gif strengthens your side of the argument just as much as any of the other pseudo evidence you’ve produced.

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
I am glad to see that to a large portion of americans feelings make compelling evidence…

bring on the witch hunts![/quote]

Unfortunately some people’s grasp of how the legal system works is just that bad.

Please god, never let DN serve on a jury, under any circumstance.

Just did search for ‘popular rap lyrics’…this is the number one requested rap lyric:

“Milli”
I’m Millionaire,
I’m a Young Money Millie in aire, tougher than Nigerian hair,
My criteria compared to your career just isnt fair,
I’m a venereal disease like a menstrual bleed…
Threw the pencil and leak on the sheet of the tablet in my mind,
Cause I don’t write shit cause I ain’t got time,
Cause my seconds, minutes, hours go to the al mighty dollar,
And the al mighty power of dat chit cha cha cha chopper,
Sister, Brother, Son, Daughter, Father motha fuck a copper,
Got da maserati dancin on the bridge pussy poppin,
Tell the coppers… hahahaha you can’t catch em, you can’t stop em,
I go by them goon rules if you can’t beat em then you pop em,
You can’t man em then you mop em,
You can’t stand em then you drop em,
You drop em cause we pop em like Orville Redenbacher,

What if at the NAACP convention they addressed this and encouraged these rappers to sing positive messages?

Study
I’m a young study ent er smarter than Einstein
Staying in school so I don’t end up like Frankenstein
Don’t talk about venereal disease, saving my virginity
Why would I even think about having pre-marital sex
When so many babies are having babies
How can we ever succeed?
Sister, brother, mother, father I know the police are here to help me
Sometimes I might need to take the time to get to know them
I’ll never end up with a maserati, but my Honda Civic is just fine for getting to work on time
Speaking in public and on the radio I never use profanity, or at least use moderation
I’m sure my mother wouldn’t like the language

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
I am glad to see that to a large portion of americans feelings make compelling evidence…

bring on the witch hunts![/quote]

Unfortunately some people’s grasp of how the legal system works is just that bad.

Please god, never let DN serve on a jury, under any circumstance. [/quote]

Lol - I wouldn’t worry about it.

This bitch is a loony toon - no attorney worth his salt would fail to see that. This crackpot is a foaming at the mouth psychopath. Will never serve on a jury unless the questioning attorney is blind, deaf and dumb!

[quote]sen say wrote:
Just did search for ‘popular rap lyrics’…this is the number one requested rap lyric:

“Milli”
I’m Millionaire,
I’m a Young Money Millie in aire, tougher than Nigerian hair,
My criteria compared to your career just isnt fair,
I’m a venereal disease like a menstrual bleed…
Threw the pencil and leak on the sheet of the tablet in my mind,
Cause I don’t write shit cause I ain’t got time,
Cause my seconds, minutes, hours go to the al mighty dollar,
And the al mighty power of dat chit cha cha cha chopper,
Sister, Brother, Son, Daughter, Father motha fuck a copper,
Got da maserati dancin on the bridge pussy poppin,
Tell the coppers… hahahaha you can’t catch em, you can’t stop em,
I go by them goon rules if you can’t beat em then you pop em,
You can’t man em then you mop em,
You can’t stand em then you drop em,
You drop em cause we pop em like Orville Redenbacher,

What if at the NAACP convention they addressed this and encouraged these rappers to sing positive messages?

Study
I’m a young study ent er smarter than Einstein
Staying in school so I don’t end up like Frankenstein
Don’t talk about venereal disease, saving my virginity
Why would I even think about having pre-marital sex
When so many babies are having babies
How can we ever succeed?
Sister, brother, mother, father I know the police are here to help me
Sometimes I might need to take the time to get to know them
I’ll never end up with a maserati, but my Honda Civic is just fine for getting to work on time
Speaking in public and on the radio I never use profanity, or at least use moderation
I’m sure my mother wouldn’t like the language

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LOL, God that’s good…

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:
Just did search for ‘popular rap lyrics’…this is the number one requested rap lyric:

“Milli”
I’m Millionaire,
I’m a Young Money Millie in aire, tougher than Nigerian hair,
My criteria compared to your career just isnt fair,
I’m a venereal disease like a menstrual bleed…
Threw the pencil and leak on the sheet of the tablet in my mind,
Cause I don’t write shit cause I ain’t got time,
Cause my seconds, minutes, hours go to the al mighty dollar,
And the al mighty power of dat chit cha cha cha chopper,
Sister, Brother, Son, Daughter, Father motha fuck a copper,
Got da maserati dancin on the bridge pussy poppin,
Tell the coppers… hahahaha you can’t catch em, you can’t stop em,
I go by them goon rules if you can’t beat em then you pop em,
You can’t man em then you mop em,
You can’t stand em then you drop em,
You drop em cause we pop em like Orville Redenbacher,

What if at the NAACP convention they addressed this and encouraged these rappers to sing positive messages?

Study
I’m a young study ent er smarter than Einstein
Staying in school so I don’t end up like Frankenstein
Don’t talk about venereal disease, saving my virginity
Why would I even think about having pre-marital sex
When so many babies are having babies
How can we ever succeed?
Sister, brother, mother, father I know the police are here to help me
Sometimes I might need to take the time to get to know them
I’ll never end up with a maserati, but my Honda Civic is just fine for getting to work on time
Speaking in public and on the radio I never use profanity, or at least use moderation
I’m sure my mother wouldn’t like the language

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LOL, God that’s good…[/quote]

Mang that is racist!!! Being responsible for your own well being and taking the reigns to your own life the right way? NONSENSE

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
No, it really does matter. I can take a guy and have him walking down the street with a bloodied knife wearing a tank and sweat pants and you’ll think one thing, and have another guy walking out of the woods in camo hold the same damn knife and you’ll think something else.

The scenario does in fact affect how you react. You denying that shows that you’re only trying to prove a point.

His reaction on the phone is incredibly important. Is he talking normal, yelling and screaming profanity, etc… Would you want to interact with someone who was walking down the street screaming racial slurs, cuss words, etc. into their phone? If the answer is, yes you’d still talk to them, how about if they were talking poorly about black people, since that seems to be your pet peeve?

So you see, it is all about circumstance, and not just about the person. That’s why and how cases are built, thats why things can go from bad to worse, and why people trust their instincts above logic many times.

And if you want to be nit-picky, many times in order for someone to be a relative they are also of the same nationality. So in my case, I don’t think there is a single Black family on my street, Asian yes, but not Black. Hence why my assumption would have been, “new neighbor walking for exercise”, assuming there weren’t some other things to set off my Spidey-senses.

My reference to Polish/Italian was the fact that they don’t get along. Hey, both white and they still are at edge with each other - generally speaking. You don’t find Polish people in Italian clubs and vice versa, and I’m talking where the old men go. It has nothing to do with skin color, like minded people stay together. Hell, where I grew up there were three Churches in my town, a Polish one, an Italian one, and I forget the third, I think it was Eastern European. All the people were American, spoke English fine, but they had their own traditions, and wanted a priest that understood them. The Polish Church even treated an Italian priest not so kindly, even though he was from the same diocese, people are funny like that.

Fine, plenty of people walk down my street at dusk, I’ve done it a few times. Takes me back to my original question… why would someone/anyone I don’t recognize be walking down my street? I don’t like in the city. Again, its about setting.

Whether one is outside or inside does matter. If I’m inside and he is outside, I probably won’t see him. I have a door between he and I, so unless he comes to my door, I’m not going to bother with him, his business is his own. If I’m outside, there’s a chance if he wants interaction he may interact or say something to me, like, “hi.” If I’m inside, I doubt he’ll be walking down the street yelling hello to every house he passes.

Why is this such a difficult concept? Do you react the same in every situation just because of the person, or do you treat each situation differently depending on what is going on around you?

Example - do you yell and scream when talking to people in your home, or do you just do that at a sports bar where its loud and you have to raise your voice to be heard? Do you share a beer with a complete stranger walking down the street for the sake of conversation, or do you just buy the guy sitting next to you a beer because you’ve been chatting for 15 minutes about whats on the TV? Do you react poorly to a white guy who is knocking on your door asking for help, the same way you’d react to a white guy knocking on your door with a ski mask on?

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No bro it doesnt matter based on what I asked your going overboard and showcasing your level of bias. Last night I made a joke just to demonstate a point after readin a bunch of posts of fictional shit. If you had to do more then just glance at it then bro you may some race issues. What is said was

WTF… Since we just went full retard I might as well put my dick in the mashed potatoes. Heres a question say you see a Prof X clone in his tank top and baggy sweat pants walking down your street at 7PM talking on his cell phone what crosses your mind.

A) Nothing its a dude on the phone big deal
B) I wonder how many weeks hes been out of prison
C) I hope thats not general Mandingo from Obamas negro army coming to take my guns
D) Is my vagina safe

To quote you recently you said

“Fine, plenty of people walk down my street at dusk, I’ve done it a few times. Takes me back to my original question… why would someone/anyone I don’t recognize be walking down my street? I don’t like in the city. Again, its about setting.”

To answer this is easy- becuase its a free country…

“I dont like” sounds racist

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Zimmerman was the only one with a gun. Why would he be screaming for help like that?
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Simple, because he was responsible and refrained himself from using it until he actually did need help. There has been no proof that this was not the case.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Who holds a gun on an unarmed person and screams for help? What kind of help could anyone provide Zimmerman at that point?
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You should probably do a little more research as you are getting simple facts such as the order of events mixed up, scream for help first then shot came later, they did not occur at the same time, simple concept here.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Even the funeral person said Tm didn’t have any sign of struggle on his hands and knuckles.
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So the aggressor ™ did not show signs of a struggle? You are correct here since GZ was the only one that showed signs of a struggle.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That’s you…and yes, I would call that a social issue.

If I go home today and see the same, calling the cops won’t even enter my mind. I find that extremely strange unless they were actually doing something criminal in nature.[/quote]

I see it as a social issue, because how long should it take 5 guys to find out they’re in the wrong damn driveway? Park in the right driveway = no problem.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Black guys in sagging pants do not scare me.

They scare you.

That is a problem in itself whether people want to admit it or not…and it isn’t the “black people’s issue” to fix.[/quote]

I think they should address this at the NAACP Conference also…I have people in my office that walk around with their asses hanging out of their pants…they don’t understand why they dno’t get promoted…I’m like…dude…management does not want to see your ass.

Professor X…would you hire a dental hygeniest (sp), receptionist or basically anyone that came in to the interview with their ass hanging out of their pants? This is a serious question.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

He has a job to do. People try to minimize his job as “wannabe Cop,” which it probably is, but god forbid he tries to do his job well. Just because you call the police doesn’t mean they show up right away. They have other things to deal with, hence why neighborhood watch was created in the first place. People call the cops on other people and they get away all the time because of late response times. Not talking shit about police, just saying their main priority is NOT a kid walking around suspicious in a hoodie. However, a kid walking around suspiciously in a hoodie IS the main priority for neighborhood watch. Which is probably why Zimmerman was following him. [/quote]

He was neighbourhood watchman. His job was to fucking watch.

And funny enough, he wasn’t even on duty that night. he wasn’t supposed to use his gun. He wasn’t even that community gate’s watchman. He never went to any of the neighbourhood watch meetings, he self-proclaimed the watchman, and amusingly, most of the residents even stated they had never heard of him. LOL!
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What I learned today:

Neighborhood Watchman Law supercedes state and federal law.

See, this internet thing ain’t all bad after all![/quote]

Is that sarcasm? Otherwise, please, enlighten me and post the link on that law, since what I learnt is, a watchman is not a vigilante. He is encouraged to contact the police in case of suspicious activities and should not intervene.

But of course, you’re going to agree that what totally acceptable for that fat son of a bitch to get out of his car and stalk and kill someone innocent. [/quote]

Is it that hard to figure out?

It doesn’t matter what neighborhood watchman rules there are. His actions are governed by state law, by which he was exonerated.

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
I am glad to see that to a large portion of americans feelings make compelling evidence…

bring on the witch hunts![/quote]

Unfortunately some people’s grasp of how the legal system works is just that bad.

Please god, never let DN serve on a jury, under any circumstance. [/quote]

Lol - I wouldn’t worry about it.

This bitch is a loony toon - no attorney worth his salt would fail to see that. This crackpot is a foaming at the mouth psychopath. Will never serve on a jury unless the questioning attorney is blind, deaf and dumb! [/quote]

You’re probably right. Thank god they screen for wack-jobs like him.