You watch Faux News, don’t you ?
[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
From your own wikipedia article:
"Orthodox Jewish Opposition
Under Herzl’s leadership, Zionism won orthodox Jewish support. However, cultural and socialist Zionists increasingly broke with tradition and used language contrary to the outlook of most religious Jewish communities. As a result, many religious organizations opposed Zionism, both on the grounds that it was a secular movement and on the grounds that any attempt to re-establish Jewish rule in Israel by human agency was blasphemous, since (in their view) only the Messiah could accomplish this.[29]
Some Orthodox Jews thus retreated into the traditional Jewish belief that the Land of Israel was given to the ancient Israelites by God, and that while the right of the Jews to that land was permanent and inalienable, the Messiah must appear before Israel could return to Jewish control.
Prior to the Holocaust, Reform Judaism rejected Zionism as inconsistent with the requirements of Jewish citizenship in the diaspora.[30]"
Wonder why no media talks about orthodox jews opposing Zionism ??[/quote]
Damn another antisemite…JTF is that you with a new name?
I think i’m gonna give up, you’re beyond anything.
Have a nice Arab bashing party.
[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
You watch Faux News, don’t you ?[/quote]
I don’t watch any news at all. I read it, but I spread my sources out. That way I can avoid all the Paris Hilton and Britney Spears bullshit. I can skip headlines I don’t care about.
I knew who O’Reilly is, but I didn’t know he was still on.
[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
I think i’m gonna give up, you’re beyond anything.
Have a nice Arab bashing party.[/quote]
Can’t take the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen.
[quote]lixy wrote:
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But saying that Iranian women are not allowed to sing and dance is absolutely not true. Yes, they can’t go out in the street and start dancing, but such activities are very common behind closed doors. In general, anything that might signal sexual interest publicly is forbidden. In many contexts, dancing falls into that category.
A woman can sing and dance with her family.
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Kevin Bacon would kick you square in the nuts for that. I am three (four or four if I use my cousin instead) degrees from him so you better watch out. The Wookiee (who posts here) is three degrees away for sure.
Iranians are mostly Persians, not Arabs.
Now go away.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Good to know!
Now if they quit stoning gays, give up messing with the internet, stop tracing regime opposing bloggers, allow women to wear what they want, to sing & dance or travel around on their own…
…I might visit Iran after all.[/quote]
No need to visit…Iran is coming to you. Germany, at least for Germans, will cease to exist this century. Simple demographics.
Lixy,
Stoning gays: You know that it doesn’t help your position as the concerned human rights guy, if you selectively care about different sexual orientations.
Also, the fact that they STONE people should be scary enough for you, hating gays aside.
Anti Hacker tool laws:
Don’t fool around, the comparison is out of the question. Nobody in Germany will be thrown into torture cells for blogging. And yes, some internet legislature is ridiculous, but it’s a new legal sphere and we’ll work that out. [quote]
“The people passing these laws don’t have the tiniest clue about what they’re doing.” Right, there are even more bizarre internet laws.[/quote]
[quote]
“Where did I criticize the “US and A”? I said that there are plenty of countries that do exactly the same and even worse. For example, blogging in Morocco about how bad the regime is gets you thrown out in jail.”[/quote]
C’mon Lixy, most countries in the world are shitholes or close to them, as far as legislature is concerned. So what?
Women: [quote]
I am saying that in one of the most feminist countries on Earth, people are still struggling to allow women to wear (or not wear) what they want.
And speaking of women’s rights, the Saudis have it much worse. Yet all the West does is give the Al-Sauds more support and weapons. [/quote]
Lixy, yet AGAIN your comparison is so overblown it hurts to read it: In Sweden women will be topless soon (!) if they want, while the Iranians you defend command their women to muffle themselves in 20 lbs of black carpet. And while many women try to fight that using colorful (shocking!) headscarves or letting some locks look out (doubleshock!) they get snarled at on the street by policemen and public decencysnictches (!).
I can’t quite believe you really try to compare these two.
Singing and dancing forbidden:
You try to downplay it by saying: [quote]
Yes, they can’t go out in the street and start dancing, but such activities are very common behind closed doors.[/quote]
Enough said. I rest my case.
So basically your main arguments are:
It’s not so bad because in Shiiteholestan it’s even worse and/or the west is nearly as bad.
Also: this is a thread on it’s own. The OP wanted to start fresh, so I think I don’t have to relate it to another thread.
[quote]
One more thing: Iranians are NOT Arabs.[/quote]
You’re right. But Islam seems to act here as a “Gleichschaltung” mechanism, don’t you think?
-Schwarzfahrer
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Good to know!
Now if they quit stoning gays, give up messing with the internet, stop tracing regime opposing bloggers, allow women to wear what they want, to sing & dance or travel around on their own…
…I might visit Iran after all.
No need to visit…Iran is coming to you. Germany, at least for Germans, will cease to exist this century. Simple demographics.
[/quote]
I assure you it’s overblown in the media. Demography is often misportrayed by amateur journalists. We sure have a lot of Turks, though.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Lixy,
Stoning gays: You know that it doesn’t help your position as the concerned human rights guy, if you selectively care about different sexual orientations.
Also, the fact that they STONE people should be scary enough for you, hating gays aside.
…[/quote]
Lixy cares nothing about human rights. He only pretends to care when it suits him. He also pretends to be a socialist, a libertarian and any other role he can play in order to attack the US foreign policy.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Lixy,
Stoning gays: You know that it doesn’t help your position as the concerned human rights guy, if you selectively care about different sexual orientations.
Also, the fact that they STONE people should be scary enough for you, hating gays aside. [/quote]
As an undergrad, the crowd I hung out with used to get drunk and beat the hell out of homosexuals. I often got into some serious trouble for telling them to stop. Had a few bruises to show for that too. But I’ll have to tell you, about 7 years later I’m starting to get sick of the idiots perusing in tights who grab your basket at a disco and expect to get away with it.
Whatever happened to “don’t ask, don’t tell”?
[quote]Anti Hacker tool laws:
Don’t fool around, the comparison is out of the question. Nobody in Germany will be thrown into torture cells for blogging. And yes, some internet legislature is ridiculous, but it’s a new legal sphere and we’ll work that out.
“The people passing these laws don’t have the tiniest clue about what they’re doing.” Right, there are even more bizarre internet laws. [/quote]
True. But then again, you don’t have the world’s sole superpower actively trying to overthrow your government. If that was the case, I can promise you that things would be different.
And you speak of working that out eventually. That is a good point. Keep in mind that the Islamic Republic of Iran is 28 years old.
[quote]Women:
I am saying that in one of the most feminist countries on Earth, people are still struggling to allow women to wear (or not wear) what they want.
And speaking of women’s rights, the Saudis have it much worse. Yet all the West does is give the Al-Sauds more support and weapons.
Lixy, yet AGAIN your comparison is so overblown it hurts to read it: In Sweden women will be topless soon (!) if they want, while the Iranians you defend command their women to muffle themselves in 20 lbs of black carpet. And while many women try to fight that using colorful (shocking!) headscarves or letting some locks look out (doubleshock!) they get snarled at on the street by policemen and public decencysnictches (!).
I can’t quite believe you really try to compare these two. [/quote]
You seem to be confusing Iran with Saudi Arabia or some other Gulf country. Iranian women are expected to dress modestly, but only fundamentalists go for that “20 lbs of black carpet” look.
[quote]Singing and dancing forbidden:
You try to downplay it by saying:
Yes, they can’t go out in the street and start dancing, but such activities are very common behind closed doors.
Enough said. I rest my case.
So basically your main arguments are:
It’s not so bad because in Shiiteholestan it’s even worse and/or the west is nearly as bad. [/quote]
No. My argument is that your sentence was poorly phrased and [intentionally?) misleading.
You evidently don’t have to, and what I wrote was pure speculation that is yet to be confirmed by JeffD. But is focusing on Ahmadinejad’s speech too much to ask?
[quote]One more thing: Iranians are NOT Arabs.
You’re right. But Islam seems to act here as a “Gleichschaltung” mechanism, don’t you think? [/quote]
Ich verstehe nicht “Gleichschaltung”.
Gays:
So because you were traumatized and your ego has been wounded you don’t find it repulsive that they STONE people to death, gay issues aside?
Internet:
America is trying to overthrow Sweden’s government? Or do you say you feel not as a swede but more as a “muslim”?
Chador:
It is my understanding that it is expected to wear the chador. Women can wear lighter clothes, but then it’s already a potential infraction. A woman can wear a colourful, western skirt but then she is monitored even more closely. Not everyone can deal with that. And sometimes even that is enough to be molested or disabused right on the streets by some fat, dry, old chador wearing snitch-cunt. Saw one such a situation caught on a cellular camera. Along with the women’s regular life, it was a really sad documentation.
Dancing & Singing:
However you want to spin it, it’s illegal. What people do and feel behind closed doors is an entirely different matter. I think there isn’t one culture where dancing is not an important comity. So of course people sing & dance when no one is peeping.
Focusing solely on Ahmadinejad’s speech:
it was your decision to engage my post with a substantially bigger one. So let’s argue.
The translation was clearly bad, what he said was, “I hope Iran and Israel can live in peace and share ice cream and candy forever and ever and ever and ever.”
You dumbass, what the fuck do you think vanish means?
Move to Iran with the rest of the idiots.
“As an undergrad, the crowd I hung out with used to get drunk and beat the hell out of homosexuals. I often got into some serious trouble for telling them to stop. Had a few bruises to show for that too. But I’ll have to tell you, about 7 years later I’m starting to get sick of the idiots perusing in tights who grab your basket at a disco and expect to get away with it.”
Lixy, so its ok for you to get “sick” of all the gays based on the actions of a select few? You know what happened to me about 7 years ago? Your fucking brothers flew planes into buildings killing my fellow Americans, and you raise hell when we speak out against the actions of a select few of your “peaceful” religion. Something about a pot and a kettle…
I realize there is quite an amount of Lixy bashing in this thread. As it isn’t really my style to bash along with the majority, let me at least wish you a productive training week, along with a superb pump and a new Squat PR, Lixy.
[quote]lixy wrote:
As an undergrad, the crowd I hung out with used to get drunk and beat the hell out of homosexuals. I often got into some serious trouble for telling them to stop. Had a few bruises to show for that too.
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Dear God! What kind of people do you associate with? You certainly have an affinity for violent people.
Dude, if the U.S. want to over throw your government, it will and it won’t be quiet.
God made women beautiful and that beauty should not be hidden behind a bunch of rags. That beauty ain’t for the husband, that beauty is for the husbands friends to be jealous of. If your friends don’t want to fuck her, are you sure your want to?
If his use of the “vanish” meant a threat to use military force, he would have spoken of military force. His speech said nothing of the sort. Bush’s pro war rhetoric has been far more aggressive and belligerent than this particular quote.
If Ahmadinejad is really preparing his own new holocaust, why hasn’t he started by killing/incarcerating the 30,000 Jews living in Iran? Jews who can vote, take part in politics, have representation in parliament. Jews who are free to leave the country for Israel but have chosen not to do so.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
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Internet:
America is trying to overthrow Sweden’s government?
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Yes, we want their chocolate.
We’re also being very low-key about it.