I agree in that HIT and training everyday don’t seem to go together at least for me at this stage in my life. More than wanting to do it myself I just wanted to know how it is possible for others. Aside from not being able to do fricken chins I’m very happy with my lifting plan .
Scott
Wendler’s 5/3/1 set-up is really great to Figure Out these things about yourself.
There’s a big distinction between Main Lifts and other stuff like Secondary and Assistance lifts. You can try all sorts of “other stuff” and see what effect it has on your Main Work. If your main sets go up, your recover! If they don’t, you’re doing too much!
And the there are lots of templates with every kind of combination of frequency/volume/intensity to work your way through.
Even if you don’t like 5/3/1, or if it doesn’t produce the greatest results you ever got, everything it teaches you makes it worth messing around with for awhile.
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So for the last two days I’ve been doing extra chins trying to get up to actually being able to just do one and today was my regular workout day . I felt like I’d just run a long race . I had no energy and felt weak on all my lifts. As few as I actually did , about 12 each day , it really killed me. I’ve tried much less than that before and I wasn’t as weak but it didn’t seem to help with chins. I think I’m seeing that my off days recovery is very limited to how much extra stuff I can do exercise wise. Pretty pathetic!
Scott
If chin-ups are “hard,” try something “easy.”
If attempting chin ups blast you, they are a bad fit for daily training. Can you think of Any lifts for your lats or mid back that are not as difficult for you? Something easy that you really feel in your back muscles?
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Did you ever use one of those old timey Chest Expander, spring resistance things to get a nice pump? Bands are like the new springs.
That’s how many guys start extra frequency, with stuff like Band Pull A Parts and Facepulls.
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There’s lots of other back muscle exercises that are easy but it’s the chins I want to improve on. I’ve found other back exercise including heavy pulldowns don’t help me with chins, I’ve tried that. For this week since it’s a break week I’m just going to write off my regular workouts as a sacrifice to see if I can do a chin by the end of the week but either way it’s going to be back to my regular workouts chins or not .
Scott
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Have you made sure the muscles used to do your vertical pull work is the same muscles your trying to use to do a chin up? I know for me if I don’t pay attention doing vertical pull work it seems a lot of other muscles I’m not trying to target work there way in there and help out quite a bit.
Yes I’ve used those but that would be during my regular workout . I’m just wondering what the advantage is to doing anything extra on your recovery days instead of just recovering?
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One thing that’s helpful is flushing (pump) the muscle with blood and nutrients helping it recover.
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Man, it’s tough to be a Neuro-type 3.
As a type 2A, pulldowns, grip work and inverted rows carry right over to chin-ups for me.
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That’s a hard thing to tell. I want to thank you guys for tying to explain this working the same muscles everyday thing but I think you’ve spent enough of your valuable time on this. I don’t think it will work for me so let’s move on to something else like how to build Sergio type arms by eating twinkies with each curl, or the Aspen experiment , building Tom Platz type legs by skiing twice a week while drinking Shazam metabolic elixir , ha ha !
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Scott
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Yea as a type 3 , (possibly? ) , I think I’m relegated to watching Mr Rogers and thinking happy thoughts of working out. Frankly that stuff sounds like BS but I haven’t really looked into it. Maybe when I get a heart attack from choking on cortisol when I finally do a chin I’ll have time to check that stuff out while laying on the gurney waiting for the paddles , ha ha!! ?
Scott
Different parts recover at different rates. While your Big parts like chest and quads are still recovering, smaller parts like triceps, delts and abs might be ready to go. By doing the smaller workout you rest what needs resting and work what is ready for work.
If you have a weakness that really sticks out, your Regular training is not hitting it. If you do a small, weakness focused workout maybe you can start improving a weak area. Without messing up your regular workouts.
Weight training to stimulate mass or strength doesn’t necessarily need to be every day, but frequency is important for skill training. If there is a movement you want to practice, frequent, light practice is good.
There are many physical qualities. Size, strength, conditioning, cardio, etc. It can be hard to work them all in 3-4 weekly workouts. Doing cardio or conditioning or whatever else Away from weight training makes it less taxing, easier to recover from and (maybe) more effective.
Training is fun. So more training (that you can recover from) is more fun.
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That makes sense !
Scott
I think that’s why I was able to swim , bike and run and do HIT all in the same week as each exercise flushed out the lactic acid or what ever crap that was needing flushing out. I can’t even remember that stuff anymore?
Louie Simmons’ video above makes sense of this for me. Arthur Jones even recommended training on off days for certain occasions, utilizing the same benefits, if I am understanding this correctly. For instance, working out several days in a row to start off if you are out of training or went overboard, in order to prevent DOMS. Hair of the dog. Even if training on the off days doesn’t directly strengthen the muscles, and I am not saying either way, at the very least if it helps with recovery it would lead to being able to work the muscle with real weight sooner, which could lead to more growth just the same.
Having done a lot of hard work with a pickax and shovel on my property over the years, working hours a day for weeks on end, I find it’s when I stop that my muscles and joints begin to hurt. If I keep going and don’t injure myself, I could seemingly keep going for ever, and certain muscles have ended up a lot stronger from that than from weights.
It makes sense if I understand Louie correctly, that low resistance is what is needed for off days. And since the body will adapt to this method just like any other and render it useless, it’s something to be saved for special occasions.
You’re probably just picking daily things that are too taxing. @T3hPwnisher may do 30-50 daily GHR’s, but I’m betting he could do 1000 of them unbroken, so his 30-50 a day is worlds away from hurting his workouts
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Yes chins are like doing squats , they are very hard. I was hoping I could add them every day and it wouldn’t wreck my regular workout but it does. Other than that I have no reason to do any other easy work on my days off and besides I’ve said already that I do body weight squats , leg extensions and erg on my days between regular workouts . Enough said on this.
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Scott
Looks like the demand for discussion has ceased
Like I said before I really just wanted to see how folks who train everyday could do it . Training everyday is not what I thought it was . I think I’ve figured that out so let’s drop this subject .
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Scott