You can just look at guys that do manual labor all day, in some cases every day.
I used that example previously and it failed to land unfortunately, so I am trying a different approach.
I tried that metronome Counting seconds stuff, I felt like an idiot. 10 seconds or 11 whatâs the big difference? I think itâs that stuff that killed superslow . Guys running around with stop watches, seriously ?
Scotty
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I thought you said sometimes youâd do 50 chins a day? Thatâs not easy no matter how you spread them out.
It is very much easy for me.
And I laid out exactly what I do everyday here
https://t-nation.com/t/trainer-re-created-the-colorado-experiment/272698/167
Edit: also, you ignored my question. I thought a discussion was the goal here.
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Itâs interesting because I asked CT about using straps occasionally as a way to give your grip a break since it gets worked every time you lift. And if you also do a sport that requires gripping, like wrestling or Judo (or in the example you gave, gymnastics) it gets even more work. He brought up if that were an issue people wouldnât be able to do manual labor every day.
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I will count to 30 in my head before I get a stop watch trainer with a tie or a metronome, 
I understand that gymnasts train almost every day as do wrestlers and gymnasts have huge delts etc but I never understood how that was possible when most of us have to be so careful to not do too much? I used to do triathlons , where I would train in some form everyday bike run swim plus do HIT as well. This worked but I could not put on any more muscle size . I was In great shape and looked muscular to some extent like that gymnast guy but I couldnât get any bigger. It wasnt an ideal routine to get more muscular which is my goal now.
Scott
But you donât.
And the way it is possible is by balancing intensity and volume with frequency.
Are you familiar with those terms?
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And starting at a young age to build up tolerance.
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Yes I know those terms . Maybe I should ask you what you hope to get from your training as you do it. My goal at this point in my life is to see if I can build bigger muscles at this age and be able to do a hand full of chins before I kick the bucket. I have always wanted to workout more than less , I hate once or twice a week routines even if they work so the thought of working out every day intrigues me. Whatâs your goal?
Scott
Not to butt in. But âeasyâ is in the arm of the lifter.
I did 60 diamond pushups this morning, 60 rows each arm with 50lb, 60 swings, 20 goblet squats, and did all that in less than 9 minutes. It was easy - FOR ME. Because I do something like that nearly every day. This is a non-training day. (It would be too easy for Pwn LOL.) A couple years ago I could do (and often did) 50 chins daily - and it was easy - FOR ME - because I was in the habit of doing 5-10 every time I walked through a certain doorway.
Point being, the âdaily workâ that Pwn and others do, and recommend, isnât meant to be brutally hard, or stress your system, it just⊠keeps you hard? (Phrasing. I think you know what I mean). Kind of like, simulating having a bit of a manual labor job, perhaps.
But if you wanted to act on that recommendation, certainly donât go making yourself do 50 chins a day - pick an amount thatâs easy, do that every day, and add 10-20% to the volume after every week until you get in a good routine. For someone more normal, that might be 5 chins and 10 pushups daily, and after a month thatâs 10-20 chins and 20-50 pushups daily, in sets of 5 and 10 during the morning or evening household chores.
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Get as big, strong and conditioned as possible. Win even more strongman comps.
Since you are asking me this question, does it mean I have explained the concept adequately?
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Iâve been thinking about this over the past year and I think itâs very much situational specific.
Right now Iâm working a desk job, so thereâs very little that taxes my strength or recovery outside of training. There are others who work manual labour jobs, where their day consists of a bunch of sub max âreps.â If sub max work really affected muscle gain to the extent it prevented it, then there wouldnât be any jacked guys who work manual labour jobs.
I could easily add extra work each day and still not come close to taxing my recovery ability compared to someone doing manual labour. While Iâm not nearly as consistent as @T3hPwnisher, I do it right now with some upper back work like face pulls or pull aparts.
Iâm not sure you can compare every day chins, dips, etc to running, swimming, or biking. The duration and volume are way different and the latter isnât meant to put on muscle to begin with.
I think it goes further than this, which ties in with the whole neurotyping model CT talks about - which was heavily influenced by his former mentor Charles Poliquin, who in turn, took this from ancient Chinese philosophy. Short version is, some folks will be drawn to higher frequency training and; others will do better with infrequent more intense sessions. In both instances, these training styles will sit well with them because it suits their personality, or element.
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Are you interested in understanding it? I have no issue answering your questions about myself: I just feel my training log would be a better place to have that discussion. Previously you mentioned how you were bored and frustrated with the lack of discussion regarding methodology on this site, and Iâm trying to have that very conversation with you. Taking it in personal directions makes the dialogue unproductive, I feel.
So do you not find the extra work on your non training day interferes with recovery from your regular workout ?
Scott
Hereâs some stuff
Louie Simmons âExtra Workouts 2â
EXTRA WORKOUTS 2
Louie Simmons
Tue Oct 18, 2016
I write to all powerlifters, but I am always amazed to hear a drug-free lifter say that he canât train the Westside way. Although these lifters are going nowhere fast, they choose to use the progressive gradual overload method, going heavier and heavier each week. In most cases they stop making records and are stuck for years. Yet, they still choose not to use a more sophisticated method of training such as that used at Westside and presently used worldwide.
These drug-free filters train so heavy that they canât do the special work that is required to excel at powerlifting. They do most of their training at over 90% of their max, whereas we do most of our training at 60%. Doesnât this make more sense? A drug-free lifter trains only three, sometimes two times a week. No wonder they get sore. This style of training is similar to a weekend warrior playing basketball.
A great many major college and NFL football teams train in the same manner as Westside, and guess what? They are drug-free. During spring training, 3-a- day practices are common. That is 15 workouts a week. So why do you think you should train only two or three times a week?
We are on the same side folks, so letâs look at a systematic program that will start you making progress again.
First of all, you must be fast and very strong to excel at powerlifting. This requires a training program that is 50% to the development of absolute strength. The workouts must be separated by 72 hours! So, what can you do in between? You can do small workouts, 15-30 minutes per workout.
Lets look at bench pressing first.
Workout #1
Lat pull-downs, dumbbell extensions, and side delt raises, and always do ab work.
Workout #2
Barbell rows, 4 sets of dumbbell presses to failure. Use a weight where 15-20 reps can be done. Rotate from flat, incline, decline, and seated press. Also do abs.
Workout #3
Three sets of seated dumbbell power cleans. Use a weight where 20 reps can be done, but with much effort. Also do one-arm dumbbell rows, 2-4 sets, and 2 sets of pushups to failure and abs.
Workout #4
Two sets of benching for 25 reps. Use a different grip, wide, close, thumb or thumb less, or even reverse. Also do chin-ups, inverted flies, and abs.
Workout #5
One of our 198s, Sonny Kerschner, had a 410 bench and was stuck. He began doing tricep pushdowns with a pink flex band looped over a door at his house. Using strict form and a moderate tempo, he did 100 total reps 3 times a week. Six months later his bench press was an official 470.
All of the above workouts must be brisk, almost nonstop. Not only will this build substantial muscle mass in the precise area you need it, but it will also raise your work capacity.
As you can see, there are countless combinations to choose from. Remember to switch often, and always think âwhat do I need to raise my bench press?â. Then do only that, for 15-30 minutes tops. Start by adding one small workout a week and add a second and so forth when you feel capable. For the squat and deadlift, the same exercises will work for both. It is important to do ab work in every workout. Sometimes abs can be the only muscle group worked.
Wor kout #1
Pull-throughs, leg raises, and dumbbell rows.
Workout #2
Reverse hypersÂź5356,359 and 6,491,607b2, stability ball, and ab work.
Workout #3
Pulling a sled from a belt, rows, and standing abs.
Workout #4
Pulling a sled from the ankles and lat pull-downs.
Workout #5
Glute/ham raises, weighted leg raises, and dumbbell powercleans.
Workout #6
Walking lunges, side bends, and sit-ups.
Workout #7
Flex band good mornings and chest supported rows.
Workout #8
Box squat with a band looped through your belt and stand through both ends. Donât remove the band between sets. Then hook a band to the top of a rack and then over your head to do standing abs.
Workout #9
Choke a band around the base of a rack and do seated leg curls. Then do lying leg raises with chains draped over your ankles.
Workout #10
Good mornings with a band looped through your belt, standing in the loops, plus a second band over the neck and under the feet. Note: When using bands, contract the muscles forcefully, and beware â band work is very taxing.
I have outlined many workouts here. Use 1-3 exercises per workout. Limit the workout time to 30 minutes, including ab work. This time can also be used for flexibility work, which is important but often overlooked.
These special workouts are intended to raise the lagging muscle groups we all possess. While working almost nonstop, you will also raise your general physical preparedness (GPP), something else that is often overlooked. For sports other than powerlifting many drills can be used as well. Agility, flexibility, and dexterity can also be improved.
There are many lifters who deadlift or squat over 800 and also total 2000 drug- free. So I know it is possible for you to make great progress if you approach training in a more scientific light.
One must realize that large muscle groups recuperate in 72 hours and small ones in 24 hours or less. So it is quite possible to train many times a week. Powerlifting, even with the advances in equipment, still is light years behind all other sports. Tracks have been made for sprinting and better poles and pits have been made for pole vaulting. New advances in football equipment â helmets, pads, turf â have evolved. But powerlifters train with the I.Q. of a caveman. The I.P.F. refuses to use a monolift, and lifters are actually lifting in what is called raw or no equipment meets. What gives? We are going backward, not forward. Take advantage of technology and a scientific approach to training and you just might succeed.
Louie Simmons
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You donât need to follow anything: just ask your questions about me there.
I absolutely stole my ideas on daily work from Louie. âExtra workoutsâ make so much sense.
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