Track Athlete Cycle Questions

Pharma / TRT
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I’m an endurance athlete (800m track runner). 22 years old. After about 3 months of researching on multiple forums, I am seeing very mixed opinions on the ideal options for an athlete like myself. I am interested in the increased rbc associated with most anabolics, the increased recovery, and the strength gains. Not interested in water weight gains or crippling pumps experienced when running on some anabolics. So far, the closest fit to these needs seems to be test at a low dose of 100-150mg/wk, anavar, 200-250mg primobolin, and eq 200-400mg/wk.

Apparently higher doses of test will produce too much water weight gain, but could this be controlled with arimidex? Would a test dose of 100-150mg/wk be too low to produce an increase in rbc?

Apparently some experience crippling pumps on anavar so this would not be an option for a runner like myself but I continue to read conflicting opinions.

I have only seen a few mentions of primobolin but it sounds like an attractive option since it can be taken orally and does not convert to estrogen.

Equipose seems to be the most effective for increasing rbc. However, it apparently causes water weight gains. Again, could these for sure be controlled by anti aromatase like arimidex? I also see that gains take a long time (12 weeks?). I don’t see this as an issue as long as the strength gains and increased rbc slowly build up over 12 weeks, or do they suddenly occur after 12 weeks?

So it seems my best option would be test stacked with eq along with arimidex to control water weight gains.

Some other questions: is liquidex a suitable substitute for arimidex? Is 10mg/day Androgel a suitable substitute for 100-150mg/wk injectable test?

The most seemingly knowledgable post I found was here but I am not going to risk time, money, and health on one person’s opinion. The most seemingly knowledgable post I found was here but I am not going to risk time, money, and health on one person’s opinion. The Endurance Athlete - Pharma - Forums - T Nation

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i’d suggest reading these:

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172

http://jap.physiology.org/content/96/3/1055.abstract

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Surely this is tested, so being undetectable would be the main concern?

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first things first, how good are you and how good do you want to be?

Get some bloodwork done, find out where you stand naturally before using synthetic hormones.

I believe in good sportsmanship, using PEDs to excel at a low level is a waste of your health. If they give you the edge to become the best in you country then I can relate to that, but keep in mind that the very best would be the best without the drugs anyways. So If you are mediocre you might pass the natural mutants while doping, but you wont stand a chance against those who are mutants with proper doping.

To give you an idea of what people are using to compete on an international level:

anabolic substances for recovery and strength, testosterone, peptides…
metabolic modulators, insulin
erythrocyte(RBC) increasing drugs - Erythropoietin (EPO)
stimulants - amphetamines, methylphenidate…
β2 agonists, ephedrine, clenbuterol, salbutamol…

and several forbidden methods, blood doping, clamp techniques…

Most of those drugs/methods can easily harm you and/or kill you. This is what you are up against (if you are going the distance), so as you might have figured by now, you need a doctors supervision and lots of cash for the drugs.

This is why professional sports are expensive and this is also why athletes are commonly short lived.

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Tothebatcave is spot on. Your endurance, so you need minimal weight. You want high amounts of red blood cells ( for O2 consumption by cells ). So EPO will help. However if you train in high altitudes your body will naturally produce more EPO as there is less O2 in the air.

And good question, how good are you? anything under 1:48? if not stay clan and if you are that good are you running at a D1 school? If so they test so idk how your going to get away with it. You prolly dont want to hear this but stay clean unless you wana go under 1:46, hence most profs are doing so. Your telling me Rudisha’s 1:42 is clean? HAH!