Hope that works for you, I’ve tried each one of those in the past with no luck. I’ve probably spent more on supplements than I have on testosterone just trying to fix this problem. Pretty much my only hope left is that I can stick with the protocol for long enough that it settles down. A few other threads have had people state that this was the case for them but others just quit. Even on beta blockers I have the constant strange tight feeling in my chest/throat. It sucks. Knowing that I have some big social events coming up next month isn’t helping either as my current state makes it hard for me to focus on anything at all besides my heart rate. My adrenaline must be sky high.
I take about 500mg mag before bed too.
Have you tried more than 20mg of prop at anyone time? 40mg got me over my panic issues yesterday afternoon. Took only 20mg last night when it happened again and it got better the the shortness of breath/tight chest remained.
I took 20 mg last night and that pretty much resolved it. I took 10 mg this morning and my resting heart rate is currently 76 so not bad, and the chest feeling is mild. I don’t have a ton of propranolol unfortunately so I will need to go see a doctor to get some. I’m 26 and for some reason they are always extremely cautious about prescribing me that. From everything I’ve read it’s a very safe drug
Yeah, it is pretty safe. I think traditionally low blood pressure is really the major side affect people experience.
Well this is getting scary, my company now wants to send me international for a trip next week. If anything goes wrong while I’m out of country…
I know I said I was going to stick with 18mg but I can’t do it any longer. I am going to try 10mg tomorrow. I have a screaming headache, I’m on 20mg propranolol and still have a relatively high heart rate. I can without a doubt say my blood pressure will be high as well, going to go try and get it checked at a Walgreens or something. Incredibly frustrated
I didn’t read through the whole thread so I am not sure if you have dealt with high heart rate / panic symptoms before. I have learned to tell myself its ok and that I am not in any danger. Its hard to override the brain but more than likely you are totally fine. Just remind yourself no matter what, you will be ok and it will pass.
I had panic attacks several years ago that were quite bad. I started on medication and then quickly stopped the medication and learned how to cope with it quite well. I haven’t used my anxiety medication in quite a long time. The reaction I get from exogenous testosterone is a whole different beast. It doesn’t start with any mental anxiety at all. I wake up, take my shots, and everything is good for two weeks. Then like clockwork, the next day after the second week I wake up with a crazy tightness in my chest that radiates into my neck. From that point on, It feel like someone is just injecting my heart with epinephrine all day long.
Later during that day, I remain calm. However, the chest tightness gets worse and worse and my head starts hurting and then I start checking my heart rate and its over 100. It remains this way all day long, sometimes coming down to 90 but any time I get up and do any physical activity at all it goes back above 100. I hold off the panic as long as I can but the physical symptoms get so intense I just cannot help but panic. It is like an elephant is sitting on my chest and someone is choking me at the same time. Like something in my neck is swollen.
The strangest part is that high endogenous testosterone does not cause this reaction in me. For a period of time I took what I thought was enclomiphene citrate for 30 days (most likely was low dose letro or another AI based on lab tests). The last day of this, I got my testosterone level and estrogen levels measured. I was at 775 ng/dL testosterone and around 8 estrogen (sensitive test). I felt calm as hell at these levels, although I definitely still did not have a libido. Perfect blood pressure, pulse was fine. The first two weeks of testosterone are perfect as well, and I feel insanely calm. It almost seems as though the actual shutdown is what causes my blood pressure and pulse problems. I wish I could tolerate these but I just think there is more to it than anxiety.
To be honest, for the past few hours I have been sitting here debating whether or not I should just accept defeat in regards to TRT. The side effects are so severe and to go through even 6 weeks of it just to hopefully feel a small level of relief just seems crazy. Earlier this year, my test level came back at 575, so maybe I have a chance at recovery? The emotional effects of low t are killing me, however. I never want to have sex and I have developed bad anxiety around the process in general. The low t has caused my flaccid size to become ridiculously small and this has made me extremely insecure. It is cured with the testosterone treatment. I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t. My obsession with fixing all of this and the anxiety that came with my last attempt at treatment ended up causing me to lose the best relationship I have ever had, and potentially ever will have.
So my options now are:
1: hop on some nolvadex (since I am likely not completely shut down) for the next month and half and quit injecting testosterone, and hope I can at least rebound to the 500s and maybe later increase from there. Slam cialis and force myself to have sex in my relationships even when I don’t feel like it
2: Decrease my dose drastically (I can already feel that my current level isn’t even that high) and slowly work up over the course of several months If I can even tolerate that, feeling shitty the entire time.
Sorry for the wall of bitchiness but damn this situation pisses me off, I read all these stories about how TRT is changing people’s lives and they are happier and able to screw all the time and here I am, probably 5 grand in (this is an absolute shit ton of money for me, this could have been spent towards a new vehicle) after getting my entire body evaluated and I am no closer to solving any of my issues. Take this heart issue away and my issue would be 100 percent resolved.
I need my libido. It is what used to drive me to complete things and get things done. Now that it has been gone for such a long time I have spun into a spiral of self doubt that is difficult to dig out of. I am starting to wonder if I will every have successful relationships ever again.
Sorry about the rant. Just extremely put off by this whole experience
Exactly how i felt however my natural levels are a little higher than yours most recent bloods showed 367 1.5 months post last injection.
Honestly if i were to start again i would probably do a dose as low as 50mg once a week split into daily doses than slowly increase, not sure if it would make any difference but could be worth a try.
I had all the same symptoms as you do even on 12mg a day. Even on daily injections it still builds up in your system.
I found some relief with arimidex which in turn helped slow my heart rate down and eased the headaches and tightness although i still felt like crap so I decided to stop until I could figure this out because it felt seriously dangerous, to me anyways.
If you can ride it out for that long and you do feel better and symptom free I may give it another try and push through myself.
For the first 2 weeks on test cyp I felt the best i ever had. I could wake up in the morning wide awake and alert, better mood even my wife commented on it I went from being an introvert to extrovert, that’s about all I noticed until I started getting symptoms.
Trust me it pisses me off as well, specially hearing such positive things about it from other people and seeing the benefits first hand myself to only have it taken away.
How long have you been on it currently?
Also I agree with you that it’s not your typical anxiety or panic because the anxiety is associated to the physical affects that we felt. I’ve had panic attacks and anxiety to me this was different as well.
I’ve been on 2 weeks and 2 days now, total of 16 injections. Around the 13th this effect immediately started kicking in.
And same with the first two weeks, I began feeling so confident, I was walking around with my chest out, arms back, feeling perfect. So content. I was very positive as well and I am usually a downer. I was thinking “wow i solved it! time to get on with my life and advance my career, etc.”. The lack of confidence has caused me issues there for a while now.
I don’t think I’m going to be able to push through if I’m being honest. I’ve never felt such true fear as I do with this ridiculous heart rate/blood pressure thing. My head still feels like its going to explode at any minute. I have one kidney as well (tests show it filters just as good as two), maybe that has something to do with it? I just want to beat my head against the wall knowing that if I could produce 700 ng endogenously I would have all the benefits with none of the problems. Exogenous test, for whatever reason, does not work with me. Making it sting even worse, I did a 600mg Test E cycle back in college and had zero problems whatsoever besides being too horny.
Here we are, yet again. Get all the compliments on my mood from everyone and now I get to go back to hormonal crash land. fml
Yup that’s me to a T however even though I’m in a similar situation I think alot of it is psychological.
I’ve been practicing the art of not giving a F*** lol and been finding I’m a little more outspoken about the situations I deal with at work instead of holding it in also because of that I have found myself to be in more of a positive mood.
However this does not help the Libido and Ed problem or the mental fog, fatigue, irritability, depression etc.
You say you’ve done a cycle before with no issues? I wonder why you would be experiencing these symptoms at such a low dose compared?
Maybe the issue could be that you are simply not taking enough testosterone and is causing free T to be too low causing an imbalance and in turn experiencing symptoms.
At least that is what I was told but I was too much of a wimp at the time to find out haha. Felt like if I had taken more while experiencing those symptoms I would have died lol. So it is up to you.
I have no idea why I was able to do so much in the past. I was around 20-21 at the time and still felt very healthy. My guess is that some of my PCT was fake and that that cycle sparked these issues. Perhaps my thyroid and everything was working very well at the time so this was not an issue. I’m having a hard time today deciding what to do. I have not yet taken my daily dose. Heart rate is sitting around 73 but this could also have to do with the long half life of propranolol (12 hours) and the fact that I’ve taken 20mg the past two days. At this point my options are to either lower the dose and hope for the best or to start on eod nolvadex and continue from there (the last time this happened, my doctor raised my dose by 40mg and I had a-fib the following week due to overstimulation). Compounding the issue is the fact that I meet with some girls in about a month and a half that I would really love to bone… sounds stupid but maybe running nolva from now until then would at least get me to a good enough level so that I can without having fear of a heart attack. I don’t feel as though I am totally shutdown as my testicles are not quite soft so hopefully it wouldn’t take too long to recover?
I just know that no matter what, if I start experiencing this low T/libido problem again I am just going to continue going through this cycle where I start TRT and then quit due to the awful side effects on my heart. If only there were a doctor that could manage both issues at the same time I might have a chance. It is hard enough to find a doc to prescribe TRT as it is but as soon as I mention heartrate/bp issues to the ones that do their answer is “oh go see your primary doctor for that”, who then tells me to get off testosterone.
I see all these problems that arise from low T over time listed everywhere, however there is little to no support for the people like you and I that have this problem. It’s always “it’s estrogen” or “split up your doses”. None of these work. I can only find like 4 other threads on the internet where this happens and it is never resolved. The ones that are don’t seem to start off as severely.
This is something that young kids thinking about trying steroids should keep in mind as well. Sometimes it’s not just a matter of hopping on TRT if you crash your HPTA.
Let me know if you end up finding any relief from this bullshit
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All of those symptoms you described could be low blood sugar. Waking up anxiety, sweating, dizzy. Heart rate increasing, what’s your diet look like?
I spent a lot of time confusing symptoms when I first started TRT. If I slept weird, blame TRT. If I woke up too early, TRT. You get the idea. What I was also doing was eating tons of cereal (sugar) before bed and waking up in a low BS state with anxiety, shaking, thirsty, and I blamed TRT. Turns out it was my diet all along
Eggs and bacon with two Greek yogurts for breakfast, protein shakes throughout the day, sub sandwich for lunch and dinner varies. I’ve measured my morning blood sugar and it is always around 90. There’s no way that I’m getting hypoglycemia all day long
Anxiety I can deal with, it’s the incredibly high day long heart rate and blood pressure that I have problems with. Sometimes I do not have the anxiety yet that still persists. I can’t imagine chest tightness like I’ve been having is ever healthy
I was going to suggest just the opposite. Have you considered trying keto even just for a few days? Keto for me drops not only my blood pressure quite a bit but resting heart rate as well. Maybe think about getting into ketosis and seeing if that doesn’t resolve your resting heart rate issues. Just a thought.
I guess it could be high blood sugar as well but this probably would have already showed up on your labs at some point.
Keto would be nearly impossible for me to stick to as I travel so much currently but I appreciate the suggestion. I found a cardiologist near me that is actually open on the weekends and is close to me. I’m going to go visit him (today hopefully) and be honest about everything going on. I say that like I’m doing something illegal lol but every time I mention testosterone to a doctor they seem to freak out. Maybe that will be different since I’m seeing a urologist now. Anyways, I’m going to tell the cardiologist, hopefully get a lot of alpha and or beta blockers and take them to manage everything until this hopefully dies down within the next few months
Maybe just drop your test to 10-12 instead of giving up TRT this time. Lowered my dose yesterday and today, has been pretty good so far.
Let us know how your appointment goes. At least getting a script for beta blockers should give you some piece of mind