This is a nice log. Easy to read. Actually makes sense. And has volume.
Good work.
[quote]young n wrote:
Yeap, I went back and viewed it several times, OP you initiate your pull at the 20-ish second mark.
- Is that as flat a back as you can make?
You should be able to get a flat(er) back, Unless its the belt that is preventing you from doing it. - Your chest is caved in a bit.
Try to stick your chest out/chest proud, if I were standing in front of you I should be able to see the logo on your shirt. - Your hips rise a little early.
Sit back more (I know this is going to hurt the numbers) but don’t let the knees be the first to straighten out.
Stay strong[/quote]
- Yes, haha I think that was all I could get that day.
- I don’t know I am working on it, but it is becoming apparent that I need more help haha.
- I am getting more videos to see more of my form. I have two more coming up in a few minutes.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]young n wrote:
Yeap, I went back and viewed it several times, OP you initiate your pull at the 20-ish second mark.
- Is that as flat a back as you can make?
You should be able to get a flat(er) back, Unless its the belt that is preventing you from doing it. - Your chest is caved in a bit.
Try to stick your chest out/chest proud, if I were standing in front of you I should be able to see the logo on your shirt. - Your hips rise a little early.
Sit back more (I know this is going to hurt the numbers) but don’t let the knees be the first to straighten out.
Stay strong[/quote]
Oh shit lol. I should film a deadlift for you to look at. Trivium’s form is way better than mine.[/quote]
I don’t know man. I didn’t think your form was bad.
[quote]barbedwired wrote:
This is a nice log. Easy to read. Actually makes sense. And has volume.[/quote]
Thanks for the kind words man.
The lift from (5/14/14).
Deadlift
5x135 (Right hand up. I forgot to do double overhands.)
5x225 (Double overhand.)
3x260 (Double overhand.)
3x295 (Right hand up. Chalked.)
10x330 (Belted. Right hand up. Not all good reps. Easy though.)
3x365 (Belted. Right hand up. Easy.)
3x405 (Belted. Right hand up. Easy. Pretty good form.)
1x455 (Belted. Left hand up. Hold at top. Terrible form. Got a video of this.)
1x405 (Belted. RIght hand up. Terrible form. Video)
3x315 (Right hand up. Terrible form.)
3x315 (Right hand up. Terrible form.)
3x315(Right hand up. Form was much better.)
Stiff Leg Deadlift
5x235 (I need someone to observe my form. I’ll get a video.)
5x235
5x235
5x235
5x235
5x235
5x235
(Had some slight knee discomfort getting set up, but not during the pull. It was in the left knee on the inside. I couldn’t figure out what about my setup was causing me discomfort though, as I could not replicate the pain with any other movement, until…)
Seated Leg Curl (This machine sucked.)
110 lbs on stack with weird setups for sets of 10 (Knee pain again) / 10 (More pain. I still couldn’t replicate the pain. I think it is anterior horn of medial meniscus, but I’m not an MRI, so I don’t know for sure.)
I just called it a day with the pain. It went away about 15 minutes after my lift and didn’t come back. I learned my lesson about being a hero with my back. I need to work on form for both conventional DL and stiff leg DL though.
Hey, Trivium. Isn’t your log title a reference from the Odysessy Odyseus and his main had sailed in a certain path (he had to choose between himself and his men dieing from jagged rocks, or a lot dieing from the sea monsters chardybis and Syclla to get to their home city with the advice of Circe?
What is the best compound lift to isolate glutes and hams? Is it stiff legs, good mornings, or something else?
[quote]DliftSprStrnGuy wrote:
Hey, Trivium. Isn’t your log title a reference from the Odysessy Odyseus and his main had sailed in a certain path (he had to choose between himself and his men dieing from jagged rocks, or a lot dieing from the sea monsters chardybis and Syclla to get to their home city with the advice of Circe? [/quote]
Yes.
The band Trivium has an awesome song about it.
[quote]trivium wrote:
Yes.
The band Trivium has an awesome song about it.
[/quote]
everything makes so much more sense now.
cool song. I like metal.
[quote]trivium wrote:
What is the best compound lift to isolate glutes and hams? Is it stiff legs, good mornings, or something else?[/quote]
In my opinion, RDLs. Somewhat different than a stiff leg. Don’t pivot forward, but push your butt back and let the bar lower that way. I know the difference is subtle, and that might be how you’ve always thought of stiff-legs.
EDIT: The “hump the bar” cue at the top also helps to make sure you’re using your glutes and hams.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
What is the best compound lift to isolate glutes and hams? Is it stiff legs, good mornings, or something else?[/quote]
In my opinion, RDLs. Somewhat different than a stiff leg. Don’t pivot forward, but push your butt back and let the bar lower that way. I know the difference is subtle, and that might be how you’ve always thought of stiff-legs.
EDIT: The “hump the bar” cue at the top also helps to make sure you’re using your glutes and hams.[/quote]
Man you really aren’t a glute bridge/hip thrust type of guy are you?
Trivium try supermans, swings, glute ham raies, Ben Bruno has plenty of stuff on the glutes and hammies.
Hell I would put you on a recipe of swings and speed deadlifts, throw in some upper back work and some leg curl variations and your good to go.
Just some food for thought.
Stay strong
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
What is the best compound lift to isolate glutes and hams? Is it stiff legs, good mornings, or something else?[/quote]
In my opinion, RDLs. Somewhat different than a stiff leg. Don’t pivot forward, but push your butt back and let the bar lower that way. I know the difference is subtle, and that might be how you’ve always thought of stiff-legs.
EDIT: The “hump the bar” cue at the top also helps to make sure you’re using your glutes and hams.[/quote]
I thought about dimel deads as well. I will look up the form and try em out.
[quote]young n wrote:
Man you really aren’t a glute bridge/hip thrust type of guy are you?[/quote]
Not sure why you say that. I don’t recall ever expressing an opinion about either exercise.
I’m just suggesting things within my realm of experience and knowledge. I find (properly done) swings are great for activation, but can’t really be loaded up well. RDLs allow the loading and hit the glutes and hamstrings hard.
So, yeah.
I am going to spitball a bit here, but…
I honestly think that I may not have very strong quads. I think that my hamstrings fire way too soon, and my quads can’t balance out the force, so it causes me to hitch. The rounding is just me being weak and having a bad set up.
Combine the two, and you get what my form is.
My front squat, and my SLDL are not even close to being comparable.
Plus I am all things barbell haha.
With the disclaimer of “I might not really know what I’m talking about, and what I see might not really be that important”. And that you lift 100lbs more than me.
Your lower back is just completely rounded. In the 2nd video, if you look at how your lower back is at the end of the lift… that’s how it should be through the whole lift. The good news is your spinal erectors seem pretty damn strong. The bad news is you’re not really using your glutes much at all.
The only way I know to fix that is to drop the weight, and never do a rep where you let your back do that. As soon as that starts, stop the rep, stop the set. One option then is just drop the weight 50% and do a few sets of 5 or so with eccentrics as slow as possible, keeping a really strong arch. You can do that on regular deads or RDLs or whatever… it’s more about training the upper body to hold the right position.
I think fixing the back positioning thing is more important than focusing on quads. The lift will probably feel quite a bit different than you’re used to though, since it’ll shift from “pulling up, pulling the shoulders behind the hips” to “pushing the ground away, pulling back, pushing the hips through”.
But, again, disclaimer.
EDIT: you may want to post one or both of those videos up in the PL forum. My knowledge is limited. Too bad emskee isn’t still around.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
With the disclaimer of “I might not really know what I’m talking about, and what I see might not really be that important”. And that you lift 100lbs more than me.
Your lower back is just completely rounded. In the 2nd video, if you look at how your lower back is at the end of the lift… that’s how it should be through the whole lift. The good news is your spinal erectors seem pretty damn strong. The bad news is you’re not really using your glutes much at all.
The only way I know to fix that is to drop the weight, and never do a rep where you let your back do that. As soon as that starts, stop the rep, stop the set. One option then is just drop the weight 50% and do a few sets of 5 or so with eccentrics as slow as possible, keeping a really strong arch. You can do that on regular deads or RDLs or whatever… it’s more about training the upper body to hold the right position.
I think fixing the back positioning thing is more important than focusing on quads. The lift will probably feel quite a bit different than you’re used to though, since it’ll shift from “pulling up, pulling the shoulders behind the hips” to “pushing the ground away, pulling back, pushing the hips through”.
But, again, disclaimer.
EDIT: you may want to post one or both of those videos up in the PL forum. My knowledge is limited. Too bad emskee isn’t still around.[/quote]
I may. I always do fatigued videos though. Those pulls were already after a lot of work haha.
I feel like it was good form right up until I started filming.
Maybe I will just do a whole workout sometime soon.
did you read Paul Carters “Deadlift Rx?”, posted on april 24th over at lift run bang?
i’ll summarize it here, but def check it out! (if you haven’t already)
- Get stronger off the floor by getting stronger legs. Do this with high bar work, hacks, and fronts.
- Don’t pull from a deficit that is too high. Use a small deficit to train the lift. Stand on a plate.
- Get stronger hamstrings and an upperback using stiff legged deadlifts.
- Don’t train the pull heavy very often. Test your double or triple every few months.