People can say whatever they want to feel justified in pulling down the best… If that’s what helps them sleep at night so be it. They’re not the ones in the trenches working on their fielding, hitting, and athletic ability, so they can all shut the fuck up.
Steroids and HGH assisted Barry, and I think the argument they didn’t is dumb. Also remember if you have more weight, you’re putting more into your swing, it’s the same thing with any other athletic motion where you transfer weight through the hips like that. He could develop more power with increased strength and a higher weight.
I like how pro baseball is bitching and whining about steroids destroying the integrity of the game.
Im pretty sure integrity went flying out the window when they started paying baseball players more than our nation’s president makes, not when Barry Bonds stuck a needle in his ass and had to go buy bigger batting helmets.
[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
People can say whatever they want to feel justified in pulling down the best… If that’s what helps them sleep at night so be it. They’re not the ones in the trenches working on their fielding, hitting, and athletic ability, so they can all shut the fuck up.
Steroids and HGH assisted Barry, and I think the argument they didn’t is dumb. Also remember if you have more weight, you’re putting more into your swing, it’s the same thing with any other athletic motion where you transfer weight through the hips like that. He could develop more power with increased strength and a higher weight.
Nonetheless, amazing.[/quote]
I’m a little drunk so forgive my confusion. Scotch does that to me. Are you saying that he did take Vitamin S and that it doesn’t help cause he still has to be able to hit the ball? Or are you saying that Vitamin S doesn’t help? You got like 2 diff paragraphs man. Screw it, I’ll read it in the morning.
[quote]fightingtiger wrote:
I like how pro baseball is bitching and whining about steroids destroying the integrity of the game.
Im pretty sure integrity went flying out the window when they started paying baseball players more than our nation’s president makes, not when Barry Bonds stuck a needle in his ass and had to go buy bigger batting helmets.[/quote]
I don’t know about that one. I think integrity has to do with how the rules are inforced. Take the NFL and Pacman situation. The NFL still appears to have a lot more integrity than say… the NBA. Ok, a little more integrity… Very little.
But still a little more. Why because they finally said it was done. I think baseball is on the way up, even though it will probably take a while to get out of the hole they made.
[quote]itsthenickman wrote:
Steroids don’t make it easier to hit a 95mph baseball you say? Well thank you Captain Obvious. I guess that’s because steroids don’t increase hand eye coordination. Just like steroids don’t determine your throwing motion, or how you field a ground ball.
I’m assuming that anyone who brings up the point that “he still had to hit the ball” have never hit a 90mph baseball themselves. Or they must be oblivious to the hundreds of other ball players besides Bonds. Hitting a baseball is not that terribly difficult. No shit he still had to hit the ball. He’s a good hitter.
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Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports…research it. If a quarterback throws 50% completion percentage he will be out of a job in a couple years, basketball you need to shoot at least 40% or higher to be considered good, but if you get a hit 30% of the time in baseball for 15 years, chacnes are you will be in the Hall of Fame.
He didn’t just get hits, but hit the ball over 330 feet 756 times! He is one of the top 3 position players of all time…it was obvious he did some type of steroid/hgh, but I have an insane amount of respect for the length he’s played, and how well he has done it.
I hate this arguement. I understand that hitting a baseball is tough. I can’t do it. but can a pitcher throw a td pass? or what about blocking? could derek jeter block ray lewis? how about darts? can barry hit the bullseye as often as he can hit a baseball?
You know the answer? I do! It doesn’t matter cause they’re different. Compare Apples to Apples and Oranges to Oranges. Different talents require different standards. Even within the same sport there are different percentages that just amount to numbers.
If an O lineman can maintain his block 50% of the time, and a D lineman can shed his block 50% of the time does this mean they are equal? No it means the O lineman is getting canned and the Dlineman just made the probowl.
[quote]golferguy12 wrote:
Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports…research it. If a quarterback throws 50% completion percentage he will be out of a job in a couple years, basketball you need to shoot at least 40% or higher to be considered good, but if you get a hit 30% of the time in baseball for 15 years, chacnes are you will be in the Hall of Fame.
He didn’t just get hits, but hit the ball over 330 feet 756 times! He is one of the top 3 position players of all time…it was obvious he did some type of steroid/hgh, but I have an insane amount of respect for the length he’s played, and how well he has done it.[/quote]
[quote]golferguy12 wrote:
Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports…research it. If a quarterback throws 50% completion percentage he will be out of a job in a couple years, basketball you need to shoot at least 40% or higher to be considered good, but if you get a hit 30% of the time in baseball for 15 years, chacnes are you will be in the Hall of Fame.
He didn’t just get hits, but hit the ball over 330 feet 756 times! He is one of the top 3 position players of all time…it was obvious he did some type of steroid/hgh, but I have an insane amount of respect for the length he’s played, and how well he has done it.[/quote]
Do you think hitting a baseball is harder than stopping a penalty kick in soccer? Just curious - I don’t really follow either, but the whole goalie job seems like a tough one.
Just so I’m not completely off topic - glad Bonds did it.
[quote]tveddy wrote:
hockechamp14 wrote:
People can say whatever they want to feel justified in pulling down the best… If that’s what helps them sleep at night so be it. They’re not the ones in the trenches working on their fielding, hitting, and athletic ability, so they can all shut the fuck up.
Steroids and HGH assisted Barry, and I think the argument they didn’t is dumb. Also remember if you have more weight, you’re putting more into your swing, it’s the same thing with any other athletic motion where you transfer weight through the hips like that. He could develop more power with increased strength and a higher weight.
Nonetheless, amazing.
I’m a little drunk so forgive my confusion. Scotch does that to me. Are you saying that he did take Vitamin S and that it doesn’t help cause he still has to be able to hit the ball? Or are you saying that Vitamin S doesn’t help? You got like 2 diff paragraphs man. Screw it, I’ll read it in the morning.[/quote]
Yeah I was saying he was assisted, but that doesn’t take anything away from the accomplishment in my mind… It is no different than any other major changes in baseball.
It’s crazy that they have all these hallowed records when they don’t even have a uniform ballpark size!!! Christ, foul territory varies from stadium to stadium!
[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
tveddy wrote:
hockechamp14 wrote:
People can say whatever they want to feel justified in pulling down the best… If that’s what helps them sleep at night so be it. They’re not the ones in the trenches working on their fielding, hitting, and athletic ability, so they can all shut the fuck up.
Steroids and HGH assisted Barry, and I think the argument they didn’t is dumb. Also remember if you have more weight, you’re putting more into your swing, it’s the same thing with any other athletic motion where you transfer weight through the hips like that. He could develop more power with increased strength and a higher weight.
Nonetheless, amazing.
I’m a little drunk so forgive my confusion. Scotch does that to me. Are you saying that he did take Vitamin S and that it doesn’t help cause he still has to be able to hit the ball? Or are you saying that Vitamin S doesn’t help? You got like 2 diff paragraphs man. Screw it, I’ll read it in the morning.
Yeah I was saying he was assisted, but that doesn’t take anything away from the accomplishment in my mind… It is no different than any other major changes in baseball.
It’s crazy that they have all these hallowed records when they don’t even have a uniform ballpark size!!! Christ, foul territory varies from stadium to stadium![/quote]
This is one thing that always kept me a casual fan of baseball instead of a true fan. For as much as people say baseball more than any other sport is all about the numbers; it’s leagues don’t even have a unified ruleset.
Then add in stuff like stadium sizes, and major rule changes every few generations. I just find it somewhat comical that the sports considered to be less about numbers and more about teams, have very precise and very few rule changes.
[quote]conner wrote:
golferguy12 wrote:
Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports…research it. If a quarterback throws 50% completion percentage he will be out of a job in a couple years, basketball you need to shoot at least 40% or higher to be considered good, but if you get a hit 30% of the time in baseball for 15 years, chacnes are you will be in the Hall of Fame.
He didn’t just get hits, but hit the ball over 330 feet 756 times! He is one of the top 3 position players of all time…it was obvious he did some type of steroid/hgh, but I have an insane amount of respect for the length he’s played, and how well he has done it.
Do you think hitting a baseball is harder than stopping a penalty kick in soccer? Just curious - I don’t really follow either, but the whole goalie job seems like a tough one.
Just so I’m not completely off topic - glad Bonds did it.[/quote]
yes I think hitting a baseball is harder. Twice as fast, 1/8 the size…anyway I couldn’t stop a penalty kick to save my life so what do I know…
It’s crazy that they have all these hallowed records when they don’t even have a uniform ballpark size!!! Christ, foul territory varies from stadium to stadium!
This is one thing that always kept me a casual fan of baseball instead of a true fan. For as much as people say baseball more than any other sport is all about the numbers; it’s leagues don’t even have a unified ruleset.
Then add in stuff like stadium sizes, and major rule changes every few generations. I just find it somewhat comical that the sports considered to be less about numbers and more about teams, have very precise and very few rule changes.[/quote]
Seriously. Then add to that the interleague play crap, where an NL team has a DH this week and not next, etc., and the numbers mean even less.
I love baseball, but I hate what the owners have done to it in the name of the almighty dollar. To me, Bonds is just a product of that greed; no one can convince me that the mgmt of the Giants weren’t happy to turn a blind eye to use simply because homers sell tickets.
[quote]tveddy wrote:
I hate this arguement. I understand that hitting a baseball is tough. I can’t do it. but can a pitcher throw a td pass? or what about blocking? could derek jeter block ray lewis? how about darts? can barry hit the bullseye as often as he can hit a baseball?
You know the answer? I do! It doesn’t matter cause they’re different. Compare Apples to Apples and Oranges to Oranges. Different talents require different standards. Even within the same sport there are different percentages that just amount to numbers.
If an O lineman can maintain his block 50% of the time, and a D lineman can shed his block 50% of the time does this mean they are equal? No it means the O lineman is getting canned and the Dlineman just made the probowl.
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Yea I really dont like the argument either, I just hate it when people say hitting a baseball is not hard to do…cause it is. Yea you cant compare a lot of sports, but I believe that overall baseball requires the most natural athletic talent.
In football if you can throw well and your smart, you can probably get turned into a pretty good player. I have seen very athletic people excel at many sports, but cannot hit a baseball. I agree that it is stupid to compare sports tho.
[quote]golferguy12 wrote:
itsthenickman wrote:
Steroids don’t make it easier to hit a 95mph baseball you say? Well thank you Captain Obvious. I guess that’s because steroids don’t increase hand eye coordination. Just like steroids don’t determine your throwing motion, or how you field a ground ball.
I’m assuming that anyone who brings up the point that “he still had to hit the ball” have never hit a 90mph baseball themselves. Or they must be oblivious to the hundreds of other ball players besides Bonds. Hitting a baseball is not that terribly difficult. No shit he still had to hit the ball. He’s a good hitter.
Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports…research it. If a quarterback throws 50% completion percentage he will be out of a job in a couple years, basketball you need to shoot at least 40% or higher to be considered good, but if you get a hit 30% of the time in baseball for 15 years, chacnes are you will be in the Hall of Fame.
He didn’t just get hits, but hit the ball over 330 feet 756 times! He is one of the top 3 position players of all time…it was obvious he did some type of steroid/hgh, but I have an insane amount of respect for the length he’s played, and how well he has done it.[/quote]
According to you, hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports. Well, let’s use Pete Rose as an example. 14053 official at-bats - 1143 K’s. Pete Rose has a career “hitting-a-baseball” average of .918.
Even the shittiest of baseball players hit the ball thousands of times. It is not hard to hit a baseball. Getting a hit is a whole different story. That’s what makes the game great and those who can do it more successfully than others great also.
Bonds has demonstrated that he is a remarkable hitter. Having taken steroids, HGH, or both didn’t change that fact. Furthermore, while the evidence would certainly seem to indicate it, he was never proven guilty of having done so. Barring such a conviction/finding, the record is his without any asterisk in the book.
That said, one of the things that I appreciate most about sports is the competition in it. To preserve that competition, rules are in place to prevent unfair advantages from being taken. Whether steroids/HGH enabled him to hit more balls out of the park, or simply enabled him to do it longer, it still provided him with an advantage that’s supposed to be illegal in the game. For that, in my eyes, his record does come a bit qualified.
But truthfully, I’m just a fan. He doesn’t have to give a damn what I think, and likely doesn’t. Since it was never proven anyway, the record’s his outright. But just because you were able to get away with it doesn’t mean it’s no longer cheating. To some maybe it was acceptable cheating, to me it’s not.
I’m sorry, but anything that doesn’t include ‘scoring a goal in a hockey shootout’ means nothing to me. I will defend this until the day I die, I’d put up money for this competition: Take a Jake Peavy fastball and Tomas Vokoun in net…take you’re average, somewhat-athletic mid-20s guy (probably played some HS sports, but not much after that), and he’d get solid contact off Peavy before he’d even come close to scoring in a shootout.
Part of this is the basic skill of hockey (skating) that is unique to the sport, but you have to add balance, power, speed and hand-eye coordination into an equation that just wouldn’t work for your average male.
And, along the same lines, I will always defend hockey as the most difficult sport to play, for those very same reasons: not only do you have to be big, strong, and fast with great endurance and terrific athletic ability.
You have to combine all those attributes while on 1/4" thick peices of metal while gliding on ice. Ever see someone in their 20’s throw a baseball for the first time? Hilarious, and you’d think they were a retard…but if you ever see a grown adult try to skate for the first time–never mind the puck, the net and the defenders–you’d think they were a parapalegic trying to walk.
Anywho…don’t mind me, I’m just an angry ex-hockey player.
What I wish those in the media would do is focus on other positions during this so-called “steroids era”…say pitchers? It’s one of those things that I can’t prove but believe sincerely, that there were pitchers in the 90’s who used as well. Is someone going to dig around for that info? Or it just could be my wishful thinking.
I agree that Bonds can hit the ball, his pitch selection is phenomenal. I’ve read somewhere that he practices with tennis balls that are numbered and he only hits the balls with ‘even’ numbers on them. Vitamin S and hGH allowed Barry to recover and play much longer than his body would normally allow him to, hence with the additional at bats he was able to break the record. If Ken Griffey Jr. cranked it, maybe we’d be celebrating his homerun record.
I used to be a big Bonds, McGwire and Darryl Strawberry fan, but that was before they turned to douche bags and liars. As a fan of the pure game I was turned off by MLB treatment of the steroid fiasco. I’m pissed with Strawberry for squandering god given talent with 'Bugger Sugar�??, he could have been great too. Instead of coming out and admitting wide spread use and asking for forgiveness by the fans, these guys kept denying it, that’s the whole problem.
The media has tremendous powers over the public opinion, and I think that BB gets a lot of hate just for being standoffish with the press. Did the media manipulate my perception of BB and his roid use, I’d like to think that I’m mature enough to form my own opinions with only a 50% chance of bias - it may happen or it may not.
[quote]itsthenickman wrote:
golferguy12 wrote:
itsthenickman wrote:
Steroids don’t make it easier to hit a 95mph baseball you say? Well thank you Captain Obvious. I guess that’s because steroids don’t increase hand eye coordination. Just like steroids don’t determine your throwing motion, or how you field a ground ball.
I’m assuming that anyone who brings up the point that “he still had to hit the ball” have never hit a 90mph baseball themselves. Or they must be oblivious to the hundreds of other ball players besides Bonds. Hitting a baseball is not that terribly difficult. No shit he still had to hit the ball. He’s a good hitter.
Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports…research it. If a quarterback throws 50% completion percentage he will be out of a job in a couple years, basketball you need to shoot at least 40% or higher to be considered good, but if you get a hit 30% of the time in baseball for 15 years, chacnes are you will be in the Hall of Fame.
He didn’t just get hits, but hit the ball over 330 feet 756 times! He is one of the top 3 position players of all time…it was obvious he did some type of steroid/hgh, but I have an insane amount of respect for the length he’s played, and how well he has done it.
According to you, hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports. Well, let’s use Pete Rose as an example. 14053 official at-bats - 1143 K’s. Pete Rose has a career “hitting-a-baseball” average of .918.
Even the shittiest of baseball players hit the ball thousands of times. It is not hard to hit a baseball. Getting a hit is a whole different story. That’s what makes the game great and those who can do it more successfully than others great also.
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oh yea i forgot about all the times barry has hit one out in batting practice too…and the foul balls. Hes probably around 28000 home runs. Everyone knew what I meant…or else I wouldn’t have said 300 average. Plus these are high caliber athletes, you stick a normal everyday person in there and theres is a .000001 % chance they hit the 95 mph fastball.
[quote]golferguy12 wrote:
itsthenickman wrote:
golferguy12 wrote:
itsthenickman wrote:
Steroids don’t make it easier to hit a 95mph baseball you say? Well thank you Captain Obvious. I guess that’s because steroids don’t increase hand eye coordination. Just like steroids don’t determine your throwing motion, or how you field a ground ball.
I’m assuming that anyone who brings up the point that “he still had to hit the ball” have never hit a 90mph baseball themselves. Or they must be oblivious to the hundreds of other ball players besides Bonds. Hitting a baseball is not that terribly difficult. No shit he still had to hit the ball. He’s a good hitter.
Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports…research it. If a quarterback throws 50% completion percentage he will be out of a job in a couple years, basketball you need to shoot at least 40% or higher to be considered good, but if you get a hit 30% of the time in baseball for 15 years, chacnes are you will be in the Hall of Fame.
He didn’t just get hits, but hit the ball over 330 feet 756 times! He is one of the top 3 position players of all time…it was obvious he did some type of steroid/hgh, but I have an insane amount of respect for the length he’s played, and how well he has done it.
According to you, hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports. Well, let’s use Pete Rose as an example. 14053 official at-bats - 1143 K’s. Pete Rose has a career “hitting-a-baseball” average of .918.
Even the shittiest of baseball players hit the ball thousands of times. It is not hard to hit a baseball. Getting a hit is a whole different story. That’s what makes the game great and those who can do it more successfully than others great also.
oh yea i forgot about all the times barry has hit one out in batting practice too…and the foul balls. Hes probably around 28000 home runs. Everyone knew what I meant…or else I wouldn’t have said 300 average. Plus these are high caliber athletes, you stick a normal everyday person in there and theres is a .000001 % chance they hit the 95 mph fastball.
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The point I’m making is that hitting a baseball is not hard for any baseball player who plays competitively. Getting hits is hard. Do you see the difference?
sports are not hard. what is hard is becoming one of 4-500 guys on earth who are good enough to get paid for doing it. what is harder than that is being so good that the best of the best cannot stop you -whatever you’re doing. go barry.
