[quote]chillain wrote:
“Why does it always seem like gambling to you?? It’s a skill game”[/quote]
One of my favorite movies. And probably the reason I became a degenerate gambler for a while haha.
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
playing with people is far more fun(with a lot more skill involved IMO)[/quote]
No doubt its more fun, but I’d call it different skills that get prioritized
One particular advantage of ‘online poker’ is that its much faster
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
playing with people is far more fun(with a lot more skill involved IMO)[/quote]
No doubt its more fun, but I’d call it different skills that get prioritized
One particular advantage of ‘online poker’ is that its much faster[/quote]
Faster maybe but I just feel there’s so much more information available when playing with people, which of course means there’s more information there for you to manipulate.
Maybe I’m just shit at online poker but I feel the only info I’m getting is betting patterns and the time it takes opponents to bet which is of course limited(which is obviously a two way street)
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
playing with people is far more fun(with a lot more skill involved IMO)[/quote]
No doubt its more fun, but I’d call it different skills that get prioritized
One particular advantage of ‘online poker’ is that its much faster[/quote]
Faster maybe but I just feel there’s so much more information available when playing with people, which of course means there’s more information there for you to manipulate.
Maybe I’m just shit at online poker but I feel the only info I’m getting is betting patterns and the time it takes opponents to bet which is of course limited(which is obviously a two way street)[/quote]
If you’re shit at online poker, I can almost guarantee you that you’re not a winning live player either. You’re just losing it quicker online because the game is much much faster. Yes, tells and other social aspects of the game are important, but not really more important than proper play and the math. And the programs for analyzing online play of opponents is far more sophisticated and detailed than anything you’d do in a live session. And at low stakes poker 5/10 and below, the skill level is such that “tells” are not a huge part of the game over time.
I too favor the brick and mortar game though. I like the social element and I like to handle chips…I just hate the slow pace. No other game in the world could you play 18 hour straight or more (I’ve done 18 hour sessions) but it’s because you’re not really playing that entire time…you’re WAITING to play 
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
playing with people is far more fun(with a lot more skill involved IMO)[/quote]
No doubt its more fun, but I’d call it different skills that get prioritized
One particular advantage of ‘online poker’ is that its much faster[/quote]
Faster maybe but I just feel there’s so much more information available when playing with people, which of course means there’s more information there for you to manipulate.
Maybe I’m just shit at online poker but I feel the only info I’m getting is betting patterns and the time it takes opponents to bet which is of course limited(which is obviously a two way street)[/quote]
If you’re shit at online poker, I can almost guarantee you that you’re not a winning live player either. You’re just losing it quicker online because the game is much much faster. Yes, tells and other social aspects of the game are important, but not really more important than proper play and the math. And the programs for analyzing online play of opponents is far more sophisticated and detailed than anything you’d do in a live session. And at low stakes poker 5/10 and below, the skill level is such that “tells” are not a huge part of the game over time.
I too favor the brick and mortar game though. I like the social element and I like to handle chips…I just hate the slow pace. No other game in the world could you play 18 hour straight or more (I’ve done 18 hour sessions) but it’s because you’re not really playing that entire time…you’re WAITING to play
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Well said.
[quote]ShaneM686 wrote:
It really is sad.
The government taking away another freedom we have(HAD?). That is what it comes down to…
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It was made illegal in 2006 BECAUSE it was attached to a bill that was without a doubt going to be passed. Anyone who is familiar with politics will realize that these assfucks rarely read all the other crap attached to the main bill, especially if it won’t help them win the next election. In this case, it was attached to a port security bill.
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Lotto tickets are legal in most states, casinos in most(or at least some type of reservation), horse races, betting on sports, church sponsored gambling, homes games, stocks?, horses, on and on. However, the issue being taking to court isn’t about poker being a skill game. That would never hold in court, so they have to go after a different issue, which is how they were able to pay the players here since the government didn’t want to legalize it and tax it. Everyone was fine with that, and most successful players here paid taxes anyways.
Anyways, I am pretty disappointed in all of this. It seems like a complete waste of the FBI’s time, the court, tax dollars, etc. Legalize it and tax it so we aren’t in as much debt.
â??Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.â??[/quote]
I agree. The way I see it is that you have a situation where a lot of people into this stuff. It’s human nature, people are constantly on the hunt for easy money. Solely on that reason you’re not going to be able to dismiss online gambling. Let these online poker companies continue their operations but change the law on online gambling and tax them. Tax them hard if you don’t like it. Then get the broadcast authority on board and make them stop letting these companies advertise their games on TV. Over here the ESPN channel on the cable provider is littered with Pokerstars.net and Full Tilt Poker adverts that let you “play for free.” Forget that it’s ESPN but the fact they get prime time advertising slots is hilarious and stupid IMO. Then you have the WSOP and other poker tournaments on ESPN taking up time slots with all the players advertising the said poker companies on their hats and shirts.
Like you mentioned it is kind of hypocritical in how the government is fine with the lotto (as long as the its a non-profit where the profits go to charity right?), casinos and horse racing. If they (the govt) really want to get serious about gambling stop the prohibition, start educating people and work with the private sector instead of trying to marginalize it - it’s not going away.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
playing with people is far more fun(with a lot more skill involved IMO)[/quote]
No doubt its more fun, but I’d call it different skills that get prioritized
One particular advantage of ‘online poker’ is that its much faster[/quote]
Faster maybe but I just feel there’s so much more information available when playing with people, which of course means there’s more information there for you to manipulate.
Maybe I’m just shit at online poker but I feel the only info I’m getting is betting patterns and the time it takes opponents to bet which is of course limited(which is obviously a two way street)[/quote]
If you’re shit at online poker, I can almost guarantee you that you’re not a winning live player either. You’re just losing it quicker online because the game is much much faster. Yes, tells and other social aspects of the game are important, but not really more important than proper play and the math. And the programs for analyzing online play of opponents is far more sophisticated and detailed than anything you’d do in a live session. And at low stakes poker 5/10 and below, the skill level is such that “tells” are not a huge part of the game over time.
I too favor the brick and mortar game though. I like the social element and I like to handle chips…I just hate the slow pace. No other game in the world could you play 18 hour straight or more (I’ve done 18 hour sessions) but it’s because you’re not really playing that entire time…you’re WAITING to play
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This x100, also just wanted to add the programs for analyzing players is basically a substitute for not having the live element. So anybody complaining about it is just retarded.
These sites weren’t covering their 6’s well enough. This is not the fucking time to be trying to get over on the gov’t by circumventing a law.
Yep. As BodyGuard explained, success in poker is about having the “technical” aspect of the game down cold
Which is really the beauty of online poker; since available info is limited, your best course of action is to simply play “correctly.” I also mentioned the speed advantage because online poker also allows one to see 10,000/50,000/100,000 hands that much faster
Sure, “tells” and the personal/psychological side to the game become more relevant as the stakes go up (and tables get shorter) but those aren’t exactly the guys you should be saying a whole lot too either…
Online gambling is illegal because the head of the USA Senate was and is Harry Reid (D-Nevada).
And “Dingy Harry” Reid, like the good crook that he is, knows who bought him, and so caters to the Las Vegas wealth that pays for his office.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Online gambling is illegal because the head of the USA Senate was and is Harry Reid (D-Nevada).
And “Dingy Harry” Reid, like the good crook that he is, knows who bought him, and so caters to the Las Vegas wealth that pays for his office.[/quote]
Your point seems to be that online poker takes away from live games, and therefore casinos make less money. This is incorrect.
Online poker allows for a low entry point for players to develop a taste for the game. Eventually, many people go to Vegas simply to try their luck at the most famous tables in the world.
You’re forgetting that online poker completely changed the game and was absolutely responsible for the “poker boom” – which had (and has) people flocking to Vegas. Online poker helped to revitalize Vegas, it DOES NOT hurt the casinos.
^ Yeah I think Online Poker hurt the smaller casinos around the US the most if anything.