On-line Gambling=Felony?

My brother told me about this and I thought he was joking with me until I saw it is SI. I was wondering how come the erosion of civil liberties patrol or the Anti-Christian Lawyers Union (ACLU) wasn?t all over this one. Theories? Answers?

The bottom quote is from an online gaming website, which obviously is pretty upset over this law. Only 4 Republicans and 1 Democrat voted against this, leave it to the state of Washington to get rid of the bi-partisan politics and remind us yet again that the great unwashed that make up the majority of our country don?t really know what is best for us and need a ?nanny? to make our choices for us.

Time for gamblers to fold
At least if you play online poker, which becomes a felony on June 7
By SAM SKOLNIK AND VANESSA HO
P-I REPORTERS
(Editor’s Note: This story has been altered. The new state law turning most forms of online gambling in Washington into felony offenses does not include online horse-race wagering, which has been made legal through certain companies. The original version of this story misstated the extent of the new law?s reach. Also, the online gambling bill had passed unanimously in the Senate and with just five dissenting votes in the House. An early version of the story misstated those numbers.)
Beginning next month, Washington residents who play poker or make most other types of wagers on the Internet will be committing a Class C felony, equivalent under the law to possessing child pornography, threatening the governor or torturing an animal.
Although the head of the state Gambling Commission says it is unlikely that individual online gamblers will be targeted for arrest, the new law carries stiff penalties: as much as five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.
The new law, which takes effect June 7, passed the Legislature this year without much public attention. But word has begun to spread among gamblers online and in old-fashioned “brick-and-mortar” card rooms, and the players aren’t pleased.
“To say playing poker in card rooms is legal but that it’s a felony to play online is insane,” said Kerry Welsh, 47, of Bellevue.
Welsh is considering taking a wireless computer outside the state Capitol when the law takes effect and playing Internet poker as a protest until he’s arrested.
Nobody knows for sure how many Washingtonians gamble online, but the practice is huge and growing, fueled by the popularity of Texas Hold 'em in televised tournaments and multimillion-dollar events such as the World Series of Poker.
In 2005, revenue from online poker sites was estimated at between $1.5 billion and $2.6 billion in the United States, according to various gambling publications.
The Justice Department believes Internet gambling is prohibited under several federal laws, including the Federal Wire Act.
As a result, most of the big, popular gambling sites are operated outside the United States and aren’t directly regulated by the U.S. or state governments.
The Washington law, which upgrades online gambling from a misdemeanor, was an effort to be compatible with federal law, said state Sen. Margarita Prentice, D-Renton.
The law applies to all online gambling except horse racing, which has been allowed through specially approved Web sites by the Washington Horse Racing Commission.
Gambling Commission Director Rick Day and Prentice, who sponsored the legislation, said the law is necessary, partly to protect the gamblers themselves.
Online poker games invite organized crime and money laundering, they said, and it’s easier for dishonest players to collude against unsuspecting opponents. And when online gambling operators refuse to pay winners their proceeds, some gamblers have said there is little recourse.
It’s also as addictive as other forms of gambling, they add, and more accessible to minors.
Day said the intent of the new law is not to give agents greater incentive to track online gamblers and throw them in prison. Jailing small-time online gamblers is “not the focus of our work,” he said.
But he confirmed that commission agents had gone to the homes of several state gamblers (fewer than half a dozen, he said) about a year ago to warn them that such activity was illegal. No one was arrested.
In fact, no one has ever been prosecuted in Washington – or anywhere nationally, according to gambling publications – strictly for gambling online.
Day said his priorities are to go after national and international promoters or operators based in Washington state – and increasingly, to warn gamblers about the risks and illegality of the activity.
Prentice said the measure had the backing of the state Attorney General’s Office and the gambling commission. Lobbyists from the card room industry and tribal casinos were almost entirely absent from the effort, she said, even though they stand to benefit from the new law.
The bill passed unanimously in the Senate and with just five dissenting votes in the House. It was signed into law by Gov. Christine Gregoire on March 28.
Criticism of the new law, some of it targeting Prentice, has appeared on various blogs and gambling news Web sites. Much of it centers on the argument that online gamblers have the right to gamble if they choose.
Those concerns were echoed by poker players at several card rooms around Seattle this week.
“What, is Homeland Security going to get involved in this one?” said poker player Wyatt Wettland, 25, during a break at Goldie’s Shoreline Casino on Aurora Avenue North. He said he plays online every other day, for two to three hours at a time.
A gas station manager, Wettland said he plays online for free, but wants to start playing for money to try to win one of the large jackpots, which are often thousands of dollars. But he had to wait for his credit-card debt to go down.
Up the street at the Drift On Inn Roadhouse Casino, a man who offered only a first name, Nick, was about to join his first card-room game after playing countless games online. He said the online games have helped him learn the game.
“A felony? That’s harsh,” he said of the new law. “I think as long as you’re 18, you should be able to gamble.”
Free or “play money” online poker games are legal, and will not be affected by the new law. But some in the state play poker online for large amounts of money, and a few are even trying to make a career out of it.
Another player, 25-year-old Jeremy, said he’ll disregard the new law. “I don’t care, I’ll still play,” he said.
With a degree in wireless communications, Jeremy said he used to work in tech support. But poker is his full-time job now. He figured he spent 20 hours a week playing online and another 20 hours in card rooms. Once a month, he heads to Las Vegas. He is never far from a computer, which sometimes has three games going on at once.
“Everyone plays poker online. People play poker on TV and celebrities endorse it. It seems like it’ll be tough to crack down,” he said.
He said he has parlayed $1,000 into $13,000 and often wins jackpots of $4,000 to $5,000. Other times, he quits after losing $3,000. But most of the time, he’s ahead, he said.
“Poker players don’t consider it gambling,” he said. “When you win consistently, there’s actual skill in it.”
P-I reporter Sam Skolnik can be reached at 206-448-8334 or samskolnik@seattlepi.com.

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It is worth noting that Margarita Prentice is a strong supporter of tribal gaming in Washington State, and the expansion of casinos and poker rooms via the tribal gaming operations. She is not fundamentally against gambling, but this appears to be a protectionist move by a politician.
Back in February of 2005, Senator Prentice was the main sponsor of a bill that effectively taxed minicasinos 10 percent on gross revenue.

This is about 2 things:

The government wants you to know that they are the boss. Secondly, they want their hands in the cookie jar. I work at a casino in Washington and we pay outrageous taxes to stay in business. We are also charged several hundred dollar licensing fees just to WORK there every year. That money goes to a gambling commision that does us no good other than to lord over us and tell us how to do our job.

Mike

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
This is about 2 things:

The government wants you to know that they are the boss. Secondly, they want their hands in the cookie jar. I work at a casino in Washington and we pay outrageous taxes to stay in business. We are also charged several hundred dollar licensing fees just to WORK there every year. That money goes to a gambling commision that does us no good other than to lord over us and tell us how to do our job.

Mike[/quote]

Washington is especially egregious in this regard – look at their wine distribution laws. I can’t wait for that Costco suit to get decided…

[quote]CDM wrote:

It is worth noting that Margarita Prentice is a strong supporter of tribal gaming in Washington State, and the expansion of casinos and poker rooms via the tribal gaming operations. She is not fundamentally against gambling, but this appears to be a protectionist move by a politician.
Back in February of 2005, Senator Prentice was the main sponsor of a bill that effectively taxed minicasinos 10 percent on gross revenue.
[/quote]

THis is another big problem – regulators who are “captured” and merely serve the interests of regulated interest, via government’s enforcement powers. Like “dangerous” and “unfair” Brazilian ethanol… or dastardly imported sugar. One of the many reasons to be against expanded governmental regulations…

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Washington is especially egregious in this regard – look at their wine distribution laws. I can’t wait for that Costco suit to get decided…[/quote]

Yeah, it makes me sick when I walk into work and see old George Washington’s face on the state gambling commision or liquor control seals. I mean, I know Washington was a federalist, but Jeez, not even that scumbag Hamilton would have approved of this much government interference.

Mike

So…gambling (casino, sports, racing, etc.) should be legal everywhere?

[quote]harris447 wrote:
So…gambling (casino, sports, racing, etc.) should be legal everywhere?[/quote]

Not everywhere, but I’d say playing on-line shouldn’t be against the law.

[quote]Chris Adams wrote:
harris447 wrote:
So…gambling (casino, sports, racing, etc.) should be legal everywhere?

Not everywhere, but I’d say playing on-line shouldn’t be against the law.[/quote]

So, it should actually be easier for minors to play…as opposed to actual casinos, which can bar children fairly effectively?

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
harris447 wrote:
So…gambling (casino, sports, racing, etc.) should be legal everywhere?

Not everywhere, but I’d say playing on-line shouldn’t be against the law.

So, it should actually be easier for minors to play…as opposed to actual casinos, which can bar children fairly effectively?[/quote]

OMG, minors playing poker online, the horror, the horror…

That is a strawman, there are millions of thinkable and at least thousands of doable solutions to prevent that…

This is about government control=lobbying=campaign contributions…

[quote]orion wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
harris447 wrote:
So…gambling (casino, sports, racing, etc.) should be legal everywhere?

Not everywhere, but I’d say playing on-line shouldn’t be against the law.

So, it should actually be easier for minors to play…as opposed to actual casinos, which can bar children fairly effectively?

OMG, minors playing poker online, the horror, the horror…

That is a strawman, there are millions of thinkable and at least thousands of doable solutions to prevent that…

This is about government control=lobbying=campaign contributions…
[/quote]

No, this is about gambling being a degenerate activity that lines the pockets of criminals and the corrupt.

Gambling SHOULD be tough to get to, preferably in the middle of a desert one can’t accidentally wander into.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
orion wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
harris447 wrote:
So…gambling (casino, sports, racing, etc.) should be legal everywhere?

Not everywhere, but I’d say playing on-line shouldn’t be against the law.

So, it should actually be easier for minors to play…as opposed to actual casinos, which can bar children fairly effectively?

OMG, minors playing poker online, the horror, the horror…

That is a strawman, there are millions of thinkable and at least thousands of doable solutions to prevent that…

This is about government control=lobbying=campaign contributions…

No, this is about gambling being a degenerate activity that lines the pockets of criminals and the corrupt.

Gambling SHOULD be tough to get to, preferably in the middle of a desert one can’t accidentally wander into.

[/quote]

I?m glad that you happily let the government enforce your preferred mores, don?t complain if they come to take away your toys…

And you know that they?ll come right?

For the children…

[quote]harris447 wrote:
orion wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
harris447 wrote:
So…gambling (casino, sports, racing, etc.) should be legal everywhere?

Not everywhere, but I’d say playing on-line shouldn’t be against the law.

So, it should actually be easier for minors to play…as opposed to actual casinos, which can bar children fairly effectively?

OMG, minors playing poker online, the horror, the horror…

That is a strawman, there are millions of thinkable and at least thousands of doable solutions to prevent that…

This is about government control=lobbying=campaign contributions…

No, this is about gambling being a degenerate activity that lines the pockets of criminals and the corrupt.

Gambling SHOULD be tough to get to, preferably in the middle of a desert one can’t accidentally wander into.

[/quote]

I agree. We should put all of those degenerate homosexuals in the middle of the desert as well. All those degenerate books like Huck Finn and Catcher in the Rye should only be able to be bought there too. And all those damn women that think it is okay to wear skirts above the knees. Off to Vegas with ye! We can’t have you destroying our morality.

Mike

[quote]harris447 wrote:
orion wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
harris447 wrote:
So…gambling (casino, sports, racing, etc.) should be legal everywhere?

Not everywhere, but I’d say playing on-line shouldn’t be against the law.

So, it should actually be easier for minors to play…as opposed to actual casinos, which can bar children fairly effectively?

OMG, minors playing poker online, the horror, the horror…

That is a strawman, there are millions of thinkable and at least thousands of doable solutions to prevent that…

This is about government control=lobbying=campaign contributions…

No, this is about gambling being a degenerate activity that lines the pockets of criminals and the corrupt.

Gambling SHOULD be tough to get to, preferably in the middle of a desert one can’t accidentally wander into.
[/quote]

It’s in the hands of the criminal and corrupt when it’s illegal.

If you don’t want your kid gambling online then don’t give your 10 year old a credit card.

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
harris447 wrote:
orion wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
harris447 wrote:
So…gambling (casino, sports, racing, etc.) should be legal everywhere?

Not everywhere, but I’d say playing on-line shouldn’t be against the law.

So, it should actually be easier for minors to play…as opposed to actual casinos, which can bar children fairly effectively?

OMG, minors playing poker online, the horror, the horror…

That is a strawman, there are millions of thinkable and at least thousands of doable solutions to prevent that…

This is about government control=lobbying=campaign contributions…

No, this is about gambling being a degenerate activity that lines the pockets of criminals and the corrupt.

Gambling SHOULD be tough to get to, preferably in the middle of a desert one can’t accidentally wander into.

I agree. We should put all of those degenerate homosexuals in the middle of the desert as well. All those degenerate books like Huck Finn and Catcher in the Rye should only be able to be bought there too. And all those damn women that think it is okay to wear skirts above the knees. Off to Vegas with ye! We can’t have you destroying our morality.

Mike
[/quote]

So, you’d like to have a casino next door to you?

Be serious.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
harris447 wrote:
orion wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
harris447 wrote:
So…gambling (casino, sports, racing, etc.) should be legal everywhere?

Not everywhere, but I’d say playing on-line shouldn’t be against the law.

So, it should actually be easier for minors to play…as opposed to actual casinos, which can bar children fairly effectively?

OMG, minors playing poker online, the horror, the horror…

That is a strawman, there are millions of thinkable and at least thousands of doable solutions to prevent that…

This is about government control=lobbying=campaign contributions…

No, this is about gambling being a degenerate activity that lines the pockets of criminals and the corrupt.

Gambling SHOULD be tough to get to, preferably in the middle of a desert one can’t accidentally wander into.

I agree. We should put all of those degenerate homosexuals in the middle of the desert as well. All those degenerate books like Huck Finn and Catcher in the Rye should only be able to be bought there too. And all those damn women that think it is okay to wear skirts above the knees. Off to Vegas with ye! We can’t have you destroying our morality.

Mike

So, you’d like to have a casino next door to you?

Be serious.[/quote]

This has nothing to do with zoning laws.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
harris447 wrote:
orion wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
harris447 wrote:
So…gambling (casino, sports, racing, etc.) should be legal everywhere?

Not everywhere, but I’d say playing on-line shouldn’t be against the law.

So, it should actually be easier for minors to play…as opposed to actual casinos, which can bar children fairly effectively?

OMG, minors playing poker online, the horror, the horror…

That is a strawman, there are millions of thinkable and at least thousands of doable solutions to prevent that…

This is about government control=lobbying=campaign contributions…

No, this is about gambling being a degenerate activity that lines the pockets of criminals and the corrupt.

Gambling SHOULD be tough to get to, preferably in the middle of a desert one can’t accidentally wander into.

I agree. We should put all of those degenerate homosexuals in the middle of the desert as well. All those degenerate books like Huck Finn and Catcher in the Rye should only be able to be bought there too. And all those damn women that think it is okay to wear skirts above the knees. Off to Vegas with ye! We can’t have you destroying our morality.

Mike

So, you’d like to have a casino next door to you?

Be serious.[/quote]

Shit yea I wish there were a casino next to me. That way I could walk to work.

Mike