[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
If OBama wins and we get hit with a terror attack while Mr. Dither is on the watch, do we get to blame him? Nah, its all Bush’s fault.
As HH pointed out, McCain ate this little man’s lunch.
We are trying to have a discussion here without what you and your brother usually bring to the table. Please act accordingly.
Bush was president during 9/11 yet it was blamed on Clinton. Why wouldn’t it work the same here if something happens in his first days in office?
If that is true, then you need to stop sucking on borrek’s ass and call this shit both ways.
You friend is nothing but a fucking left wing sycophant, and you have not said a fucking thing about his stupid bullshit.
But I would expect nothing less from you when it comes to politics. [/quote]
What stupid bullshit and claiming I am “sucking anyone’s ass” is a fucking joke. I agree or disagree with topics or issues, not people.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I missed the entire debate due to worshiping at the alter that is Texas High School Football.
For the first time in about a week I was not pre-occupied with the bailout, aka american ass rape.
I blame my kids, but for some reason or another - the tivo did not record the debate.
But a friend of mine from NH called me after the football game specifically to tell me he was so impressed with McCain’s performance, that he actually donated to his campaign.
And he hates McCain.
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You missed some great moments! Like McCain ripping into Opie’s logic while Opie is off to the side trying to interject, “But John…but John…”, with his big shiteattin’ grin and sweating like a pig.
I watched this and thought they had changed the format from a debate to an OBama Roast, it was that good.
You missed some great moments! Like McCain ripping into Opie’s logic while Opie is off to the side trying to interject, “But John…but John…”, with his big shiteattin’ grin and sweating like a pig.
I watched this and thought they had changed the format from a debate to an OBama Roast, it was that good.
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You do yourself a disservice by watching it with so much bias. The same thing happened on both sides.
And I don’t blame him for having a shiteating grin given what McCain was trying to feed everyone!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
If OBama wins and we get hit with a terror attack while Mr. Dither is on the watch, do we get to blame him? Nah, its all Bush’s fault.
As HH pointed out, McCain ate this little man’s lunch.
We are trying to have a discussion here without what you and your brother usually bring to the table. Please act accordingly.
Bush was president during 9/11 yet it was blamed on Clinton. Why wouldn’t it work the same here if something happens in his first days in office?
If that is true, then you need to stop sucking on borrek’s ass and call this shit both ways.
You friend is nothing but a fucking left wing sycophant, and you have not said a fucking thing about his stupid bullshit.
But I would expect nothing less from you when it comes to politics.
What stupid bullshit and claiming I am “sucking anyone’s ass” is a fucking joke. I agree or disagree with topics or issues, not people.[/quote]
I call it like I see it. You most definitely cam out against a person, feigning some sort of nonexistent objectivity.
[quote]borrek wrote:
rainjack wrote:
If that is true, then you need to stop sucking on borrek’s ass and call this shit both ways.
You friend is nothing but a fucking left wing sycophant, and you have not said a fucking thing about his stupid bullshit.
But I would expect nothing less from you when it comes to politics.
You haven’t said anything to me either. If you disagree with what I have quoted, feel free to refute it. No need to get angry or insulting.
…and left wing, not quite. I actually voted for George Bush the first time. I didn’t the second because we were on the wrong track. We’re still on the wrong track.
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You are as partisan as anyone in this thread. I don’t need to watch the debate to see that.
This debate told me nothing about either one of them that I didn’t already know. Their records are what matters… period.
If people must live in a marxist socialist wonderland where the nanny state agents hold your hand from cradle to grave then vote for Ombama and put the courts in his hands. That’s what his record is. He is also a terrifying joke on foreign policy and the war on terror.
If you want to take a bit longer to get there, but at least have some federal courts to deter that process and have somebody who knows how the world works for now then vote for Mccain.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
If OBama wins and we get hit with a terror attack while Mr. Dither is on the watch, do we get to blame him? Nah, its all Bush’s fault.
As HH pointed out, McCain ate this little man’s lunch.
We are trying to have a discussion here without what you and your brother usually bring to the table. Please act accordingly.
Bush was president during 9/11 yet it was blamed on Clinton. Why wouldn’t it work the same here if something happens in his first days in office?
If that is true, then you need to stop sucking on borrek’s ass and call this shit both ways.
You friend is nothing but a fucking left wing sycophant, and you have not said a fucking thing about his stupid bullshit.
But I would expect nothing less from you when it comes to politics.
What stupid bullshit and claiming I am “sucking anyone’s ass” is a fucking joke. I agree or disagree with topics or issues, not people.
I call it like I see it. You most definitely cam out against a person, feigning some sort of nonexistent objectivity.
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Dude, stay on topic. Until you and Aynrandfucker logged on, this thread was, for the most part, free of personal attacks.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
This debate told me nothing about either one of them that I didn’t already know. Their records is what matters… period.
If people must live in a marxist socialist wonderland where the nanny state agents hold your hand from cradle to grave then vote for Ombama and put the courts in his hands. That’s what his record is. He is also a terrifying joke on foreign policy and the war on terror.
If you want to take a bit longer to get there, but at least have some federal courts to deter that process and have somebody who knows how the world works for now then vote for Mccain. [/quote]
McCain’s tax plan bothers me, especially with the money he is giving to big oil companies. I agree with Obama that there needs to be a MAJOR focus on different fuel sources. I agree with McCain that we need more off shore drilling.
I see some of you painting pictures as black and white…and that makes me think some of you can’t see very well.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
This debate told me nothing about either one of them that I didn’t already know. Their records is what matters… period.
If people must live in a marxist socialist wonderland where the nanny state agents hold your hand from cradle to grave then vote for Ombama and put the courts in his hands. That’s what his record is. He is also a terrifying joke on foreign policy and the war on terror.
If you want to take a bit longer to get there, but at least have some federal courts to deter that process and have somebody who knows how the world works for now then vote for Mccain.
McCain’s tax plan bothers me, especially with the money he is giving to big oil companies. I agree with Obama that there needs to be a MAJOR focus on different fuel sources. I agree with McCain that we need more off shore drilling.
I see some of you painting pictures as black and white…and that makes me think some of you can’t see very well.[/quote]
I said in another thread and stand by the fact that only if Nikita Kruschev were the only other alternative would I even consider a vote for Obama. His background, education, voting record, associations, books and own words tell the story. He is interested in transforming this nation into the image of his marxist heroes.
If you want that then fine. I’m being serious. That is what you will get.
Mccain wouldn’t have been my 10th choice, but Obama is an unthinkable affront to all that this country was founded to be as is Biden actually.
If I wanted to live in a socialist nanny state country I’d move to one. I am better than that and so are you.
McCain’s tax plan bothers me, especially with the money he is giving to big oil companies. I agree with Obama that there needs to be a MAJOR focus on different fuel sources. I agree with McCain that we need more off shore drilling.
[/quote]businesses shouldn’t be paying taxes anyway. They plan on giving tax breaks to those that develop alternatives (this includes the evil oil companies), so why not do it for all energy?
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I see some of you painting pictures as black and white…and that makes me think some of you can’t see very well.[/quote]
The problem is that Obama is nothing but shades of gray. You have no idea what an Obama presidency would be like. I don’t either, but the Obama, Pelosi, Reid trifecta scares the hell out of me. Those three could do a tremendous amount of damage in 4 year.
McCain’s tax plan bothers me, especially with the money he is giving to big oil companies.
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Statements like this have been bothering me for some time now. I would like to walk through this logically with you, or anyone else. The first two steps or questions:
businesses shouldn’t be paying taxes anyway. [/quote]
Great notion, but neither one of these candidates is offering tax free businesses. He is targeting big oil companies, and again, that bothers me for many reasons. For one, the power of lobbyists and those companies are WHY we still have yet to invest deeply in alternative fuel sources. this needs to happen if you plan on your grandkids still living in a powerful United States.
McCain’s tax plan bothers me, especially with the money he is giving to big oil companies.
Statements like this have been bothering me for some time now. I would like to walk through this logically with you, or anyone else. The first two steps or questions:
What money is he giving them?
Where do you think that money goes?
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We are discussing tax breaks. Please don’t speak to me like I’m four years old.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I said in another thread and stand by the fact that only if Nikita Kruschev were the only other alternative would I even consider a vote for Obama. His background, education, voting record, associations, books and own words tell the story. He is interested in transforming this nation into the image of his marxist heroes.
If you want that then fine. I’m being serious. That is what you will get.
Mccain wouldn’t have been my 10th choice, but Obama is an unthinkable affront to all that this country was founded to be as is Biden actually.
If I wanted to live in a socialist nanny state country I’d move to one. I am better than that and so are you.[/quote]
The days of an FDR style president coming in and reshaping the entire country are long behind us. Obama is different than any recent presidential nominee, but he is not a socialist. We need a drastic change right now though. The country isn’t on the right track, it isn’t near the right track. We can probably all agree that Social Security/Medicare is broken, the war is not going as well as it could be, and our oil dependence is slowly strangling us. These things need to change, and they need to change soon. Its a little dramatic to think we’ll wake up 4 years from now and be calling each other “Comrade”
Great notion, but neither one of these candidates is offering tax free businesses. He is targeting big oil companies, and again, that bothers me for many reasons. For one, the power of lobbyists and those companies are WHY we still have yet to invest deeply in alternative fuel sources. this needs to happen if you plan on your grandkids still living in a powerful United States.
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The free market has given us every significant technological advancement in the history of this country. I really don’t understand why poeple don’t think it will give us alternative energy sources. Gov’t can not give us the efficient alternatives. It can only confuse market signals and has the potential to shut out investments in the most efficient technologies. One need look no further than ethenol.
Can you point out what damage they can do with a demorcatic majority in the house and senate? We’ve already seen what can happen when one party holds all the chips. Are you saying the Democrats will be better than the Republicans were?
Record, multi-billion per quarter profits for oil companies. $351 million dollar severance packages for CEOs (Lee Raymond)
These are companies in the free market, so its obvious their goal is to make as much money as absolutely possible. But I don’t see how anyone can’t see that and not say something is wrong their and needs to be fixed.
The consumer cannot fix that, we can’t boycott gas. It takes the government to step in.
We are discussing tax breaks. Please don’t speak to me like I’m four years old.[/quote]
I was just trying to walk through where you think that money goes? If you want to denounce the tax cuts without any reason why they are unfavorable, fine. We now how well you’ve thought through this.
The free market has given us every significant technological advancement in the history of this country. I really don’t understand why poeple don’t think it will give us alternative energy sources.
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Are you being serious with this statement? They have no incentive to provide new energy sources because the system as it stands makes them some of the richest people in the fucking country. This is like expecting tobacco companies to come out with alternatives to smoking.